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Is True Image 2021 causing extreme slowdown on computers?

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Very odd problem.  I'm seeing this over a period of a couple months. So far, affecting 5 computers.  I'm an IT service provider in my area, so all 5 computers are with customers that are businesses, managed by me, but are not related to each other.  

The problem is that the computer will be reported as being extremely unresponsive.  So slow that it's unusable.  The task manager resources/performance stats do not show the usual 100% CPU or drive utilization causes.  No single process or set of processes is spiking anything.  And yet, for example, trying to open Chrome or Adboe Reader could sit there for 5 or 10 minutes before it pops up. Once loaded, it usually behaves normally, unless an action you take in-app perhaps calls on some outside app or function, which then has a delay on it.  

But for example, I did a test copy of 10 GB of data from C: (an SSD), to D: (another SSD), and it went over at more than 500 MB/sec (Mega Bytes, not bits).  But just opening File Explorer had taken a long time.  

Another behavioral trait:  Right-click the desktop, no context menu comes up.   Alt-tab over to previously opened apps (alt-tab and actions like that are norma speed, mouse cursor movement also normal speed).  In my case, I did not yet click the mouse again, so technically the last mouse action was that right-click.  Minutes later, while in the other app, that desktop context menu pop-up finally shows up (overlaying onto the open app).  Clicking it, such as Display Settings produces the intended result.  

Clicking the start menu, doesn't open.  But mouse-overs are real time, you can see icons highlight or color-shift, etc.  

In these situations, the only solution has been to wipe the machine and install from scratch.  No amount of uninstalling, update rollbacks, etc. have worked.  Though, in all cases to date, the option has not been there to put extensive time into uninstalling things. 

These are very generic business computers (Dell, HP, and Lenovo), and all are solid hardware so the issue is not that. 

However, one common thing to every machine is that they all run Acronis.  Most are True Image 2021.  One is Cyber Protect.  Interestingly, the Cyber Protect one does not have auto-update enabled for the Acronis agent, and yet the problem cropped up on that machine anyway.  

The other commonality to all machines affected is they all have Symantec Endpoint Security on them (enterprise edition).  However, I have dozens of other systems in many environments all uses SES, and this product with its enterprise customer base is not going to have this kind of issue, whereas consumer antivirus frequently sees complaints like this.  However, maybe the combination of SES and Acronis is the problem, or just Acronis on its own.  Certainly I suspect the new built-in antivirus/protection features in Acronis can easily be the issue, becuase A:  it's new, so there will be problems for sure, whether we hear about them or they quietly get fixed in patching, who knows.  B:  the old idea that two antivirus on one computer still comes to mind, whether or not the vendor claims coexistence is possible.  I don't seem to see a way to fully disable the Acronis non-backup features.  They're clearing pushing hard for adoption of this.  

I finally have a computer here that I'm authorized to take my time with, and wipe clean if need be as well.  So I will remove Acronis and with any luck it's a direct result and the system will be normal.  

However one last point.  On affected computers, the longer than stay up, the less this problem happens.  So if I reboot, the problem is very fresh and nothing opens, even the login to the desktop takes a long while.  If I leave the box running for some hours, I can open things more quickly, though in some ways the problem is still evident.  But on a reboot, it all comes back.  

My guess:  Acronis has a bug that's extremely hard to isolate and reproduce.  Take an existing/affected machine, wipe it, reinstall everything to the same patch levels as before, even with Acronis, and the problem is gone.  

Ugh, computers! 

 

 

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Because the systems are running another security suite, have these systems turned off Acronis Protection? If not, that could be causing trouble.

ViProCon,

As Bruno suggests making sure the Protection is turned Off in Acronis apps is a must with other security software installed.

You might also wish to whitelist the Acronis apps in the SES applications so that that product does not monitor Acronis activity.  What you describe suggests to me that these apps are conflicting with each other so taking steps to address that might solve the issue for you.

Checking into this and thank you both.  I'll have to test on both the True Image affected machine and the Cyber Protect one.  The business version, if I go into edit the jobs, it doesn't provide a way to turn off the protection features - it shows a checkmark to indicate they're on, but there's no Edit button for them nor a toggle off.  

To work around this I'm going to disable the 5 or so Acronis services, reboot, and if none of them launched, that might be one way to troubleshoot.  

Havne't had a chance to check within True Image yet if I can toggle off the Protection features, but will be doing that in the next 24-48, and will pst back here.  What you guys say makes total sense, just I had thought Acronis put a claim out saying they can co-exist with other security.  Ah well.  

Just turning off the protection services in True Image / Cyber Protect Home Office will never be enough as these will turn themselves back on at reboot!

The services remain active / running even when Protection is deemed to be 'Turned off permanently!'

See the following KB documents related to this aspect:

KB 36429: Acronis Software: exclude program folders and executables from antivirus and other security programs

KB 46430: Acronis Software: Making Acronis Products Compatible with Antivirus Software

KB 67117: Acronis True Image 2021: using two or more antivirus solutions on the same computer is not recommended

Concur with Steve on this for True Image.

For the Cyber Protect product, you would have to navigate to Plans then select the plan or plans you wish to work with from the list displayed.  Tick the box next to the desired plan then click on Edit.  This will result in a pop-out box where you can toggle off and on various protection features.

Again, if there is a third party security suite installed on the Cyber Protect product you should ask the customer which service they desire to have active.  In Cyber Protect you have the ability to choose Windows Defender, MS Security Essentials, or the Cyber Protect features.  My advise is be ready to explain the pros and cons of each to your end user.  That way you will give them what they want here.

I have near exactly the same problem, and communicated this to Acronis support.

The computer was running very good. WIN10, Intel, 16GB RAM, SSD (500 GB C:), HDD (1000 GB D:).

Before I installed Cyber Protect Home 22, I uninstalled ESET Security and restarted. Now the Windows Defender was active. Then installed Acronis. PC slow, very high disk usage. USB-Stick 100 %, SSD 80%, HDD 80%. The process (taskmanager): SYSTEM. Windows Defender not active, system protect bei Acronis (security center).

Open Cyber Protect. Extremely slow, a couple of minutes. Klick left bar: Acronis Cyber Protect (no response). Waiting for minutes. Than the klicked menu open. Every klick I must wait for minutes.

Computer not useable.

Uninstalled Acronis. PC ok. Disk usage C: 2%, D: 0%, USB 0%.

Reinstalled Acronis. Same as before.

After one day, the fault was braked away. The system for some days was properly. Then, the problem was back again and continuous.

During this functionally time no other program or Windows update was installed.

Uninstalled again. Used Acronis removal tool. Reinstalled. Same fault as before. Removal tool again. Installed TI 2021. The same fault. Uninstalled and try TI 2020. This version worked properly.

Uninstalled TI 2020, because it will not support Win version 21H1.

Back to ESET and use the backup program from a competitor (Eas…).

It works properly.

Now the Acronis support want, that I reinstall it again. I do not do this, because I know it will not function.