Can't Get New 'Recognised' SSD to list in BIOS Boot Option Priorities

Forgive me if I missed it but did you disconnect the original HDD?

Nils Haugland wrote:

Forgive me if I missed it but did you disconnect the original HDD?

Yes, it was removed beore trying to boot up on the new SSD.

Can you select and successfully boot the drive from the menu when you press F8 when the Asus logo appears at boot?

Is this what Asus calls the "Boot Overide"?

If you don't have a GPT disk you have to boot in Legacy (CSM) mode. You might check your bios settings in Advanced>Boot.

[quote=Nils Haugland]

Can you select and successfully boot the drive from the menu when you press F8 when the Asus logo appears at boot?

Is this what Asus calls the "Boot Overide"?

Yes, I can select the new SSD found in the BIOS list shown when pressing F8 while booting.  However, in my BIOS this is not the list ASUS labels "Boot Override" found in the BIOS SetUp menus.  The words "Boot Override" are found in the BIOS setup menu which is accessable by either selecting "Enter Setup" when using the F8 key during starup or by tapping the DEL key during start up which takes you straight into the BIOS SetUp menu.  Clicking on BOOT in the BIOS Set Up menu home screen takes you to the page where you can set "Boot Option Priorities" and to a displayed list of bootable devices all labeled "Boot Override".    The list shown using the F8 key contains the same devices included in the "Boot Override" list.

Patrick,

I have searched the Asus E6348_P8P67 LE V4 manual and can't find anything about switching between UEFI and legacy mode in the BIOS. I can only assume that it is set to both which leaves me still wondering what the problem could be. Hopefully someone more familiar with your board will chime in with a suggestion.

Patrick,

I can't help but wonder why Diskpart had your SSD listed as Disk 1 and not Disk 0 since it was the only disk in the system. I have heard of people having success by changing the SATA port to the one that the previous HDD occupied.

Some SSD require that they be connected to SATA Port 0 on the motherboard.  The drive documentation or the SanDisk support site should be able to confirm this.

Nils Haugland wrote:

Patrick,

I can't help but wonder why Diskpart had your SSD listed as Disk 1 and not Disk 0 since it was the only disk in the system. I have heard of people having success by changing the SATA port to the one that the previous HDD occupied.

Nils Haugland wrote:

Patrick,

I can't help but wonder why Diskpart had your SSD listed as Disk 1 and not Disk 0 since it was the only disk in the system. I have heard of people having success by changing the SATA port to the one that the previous HDD occupied.

Actually, I have three drives connected to my M/B.  "Device Manager" shows them all.  They are: C-Drive (SanDisk SSD), D-Drive (350 GB WD HHD), External Drive (1 TB WD HDD with 2 partitions to receive daily ACRONIS B/Us of the C & D drives) The external drive communicates with the M/B via the single eSATA connection.

My SSD is connected to the SATA6G_1 port.  The only other SATA6G port on my ASUS P8P67 LE M/B is labeled SATA6G_2 and it is not used.  The HDD that my SSD replaced was connected to a SATA3G port before being removed.  As I remember, it was connected to port SATA3G_1.

Of possible interest is the fact that WIN 10 shows the new SSD as a "Connected Device" The attached jpg shows the screen shot taken by going to: [Action Center>Devices>Connected devices].

Also, as of last June, ASUS didn't list any SanDisk products on their list of supported SSDs for my M/B.  See attached PDF.

Hope this helps.

Here's a PDF file I should have included with my last post.  It shows the configuration of all the drives attached to my M/B.  Hope this helps.

Also, I've found the SanDisk Forum for my drive.  It could be useful but I don't want to shift the problem there until the ACRONIS forum goes dark.

At this point can we say that by problem wasn't caused by an improper ACRONIS 'migration' of my O/S to the new SSD?

Thanks,  Patrick

Your PDF attachment shows Disk 0 to be your backup drive and Disk 1 to be your Windows drive.  You should try swapping them around connector wise.  I would say the reason your SSD shows up in other devices is because it is reporting itself as something other than a fixed drive but Windows Disk Management does not support that thought.  Is the disk listed under Disk drives in Windows Device Manager?

Enchantech wrote:

Your PDF attachment shows Disk 0 to be your backup drive and Disk 1 to be your Windows drive.  You should try swapping them around connector wise.  I would say the reason your SSD shows up in other devices is because it is reporting itself as something other than a fixed drive but Windows Disk Management does not support that thought.  Is the disk listed under Disk drives in Windows Device Manager?

Swapping connections between the SSD and my externally connected backup drive is a non-starter since the external drive enclosure has a (1) SATA2 connection, (1) eSATA connections, and several Firewire (400 & 800) connections.  I'm using the eSATA connection on the external drive for max speed.  The SSD is SATA3 capable and is connected to a SATA3 M/B port.  You can see that I can't just swap connections w/o severely degrading the performance of the SSD which I bought for its speed.

The PDF file you mentioned is a screen shot obtained in WIN 10 by going to 'Computer Managemet (Local)>Storage>Disk Management'.  I've attached another PDF showing when in WIN 10 you go to 'Device Manager>Disk drives'.  Hope this helps.

Patrick Martin wrote:

I initially used the “backup and recovery” method (pg. 112, 10.2.2) to move the O/S onto the new SSD.  That produced the above problem plus I was left with ~84 GB of unallocated space on the SSD along with the three partitions found on the source HHD (100 MB system reserved, 139.2 GB primary partition, 450 MB recovery partition).

The unallocated space on the SSD indicates to me that something went wrong with the "backup and recovery".

So....my recommendation, for your consideration, is: reinstall the old HDD and perform a new backup.  Ensure the backup is made in the "Disk" mode not "Partition" mode.

Then do the restore onto the SSD...check to see if you have unallocated space.  I believe you should not have any unallocated space.  Then do the swap out and see if that fixes your problem.

If the backup and restore still has unallocated space, you could try a clone from the old HDD to the new SSD.

There are probably not the recommendations you were looking for, but I thought I would make them because of the  unallocated space issue.

Hope this helps.

FtrPilot

Patrick,

There is a video on the Asus PCDIY YouTube channel dealing with a BIOS that is newer than yours but with a structure that is basically the same. If you watch the section starting at 4:00 min >6:45 min you may discover something that was missed or that you could use.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amwujljr7pY

FtrPilot,

Thanks for the suggestion.  Please note that after getting the 84 GB of unallocated space I went back and performed the recovery(using the same recovery data as before) that starts on page 70 of the ACRONIS True Image 2016 user manual entitled 'Recovering your system to a new disk under bootable media'.  That took care of elimunating the 84 GB of disc space by melding it with the C-Drive partition.  The problem with not getting the SSD to show up in the BIOS' 'Boot Option Priorities' list remains.  Also, note the SSD does show up in the BIOS' 'Boot Override' list.  Both of these lists are found in the Advanced BIOS Disply vice the EZ Display.

Also, my backups were made using the 'Disks and partitions' procedure shown in paragraph 4.1 on page 7 of the user's manual/guide.  I'd performed a full backup of both my HDDs before I removed the old C-Drive HDD.

Because I can successfully boot by clicking on the SSD in the Boot Override list, I think all the pieces all the pieces are there but my old BIOS doesn't recognize the new SSD thingees. 

I'm going to investigate installing the 2014 BIOS update available for my M/B from ASUS.  This is a high risk proceedure but it my clear up my proble.  If the BIOS upgrade doesn't work I'll go your route (i.e., reinstall my old C-Drive HDD, do another page 7 backup and a pg 70 recovery.  I'll get back to all with the results.  It may thank awhile.

Thanks,  Patrick

Hi Nils,

You and I are converging on the same area, the BIOS.  Thats a good video you pointed me to.  Using the Advance BIOS Display selection you can see my problem.  The SSD shows up in the 'Boot Override' list but is NOT available as a choice in the 'Boot Option Priorities' list.

There a 2014 update to my ASUS M/B that I may install.  I know this is a high risk proceedure so I'll lurk in the various ASUS forums to see if anyone else is having this problem and what the fix was.

I'll also look at the SanDisk forums to see if these anything of value there.  I don't think this is a WIN 10 problem but I'll check the appropriate forums and KB.

I'll get back to this thread with the results but it may take awhile.

Thanks very much again,  Patrick

All,

Sadly, I may have found the source of my problem.  It appears that my 4 year of M/B (ASUS P8P67 LE bought Aug 2011) may not support WIN 10.  See these links.  https://www.asus.com/support/FAQ/1013093/  and http://www.asus.com/microsite/mb/Windows_10/

The above links list ASUS M/Bs that ASUS says are WIN 10 ready and that if your M/B is not listed ASUS warns "The models not included in the below list may not support Window 10." Now, the operative word is "may".  I interpret this to mean that ASUS does not know if the "other M/Bs" will or won't WIN 10..

I'm going to see if the newest BIOS might allow my P8P67 LE M/B run WIN 10 so that I don't have to go into the BIOS each time to boot from my new SanDisk Extreme PRO 240 GB.

I'll get back to all with more when its known.

Patrick,

I believe your MB will in fact run Win 10 based you your success with the HDD.

I have gone back and reread your first post and have some comments and suggestions.

Patrick Martin wrote:

After reading more of the Acronis Manual, I tried the “Recovering your system to a new disc under bootable media” (pg. 70, 5.1.1.4).  That brought me to the above current status/problem.  The 84 GB of unallocated space had been melded with the 139.2 GB to produce a 223 GB contiguous C-Drive partition.

I have read and reread (several times) Para 5.1.1.4.  To me, it is a bit confusing and one giant leap backward from ATI2014.  It appears that in ATI2016 you have to perform a "Partition Mode" restore, where you have to set the partition sizes for the new disk.  In ATI2014, with a Disk Mode Restore, this is all automatic.

What's confusing to me is that in step 9 the user guide says "Do not select MBR and  Track 0 box".   Then, further down in step 12, in the notes AFTER telling you to "Carefully read the summary of operations to be performed and then click Proceed" ....The user manual discusses MBR and Track 0.

So, did you restore MBR & Track 0?  I believe that a corrupt MBR/Track 0 or unformatted MBR/Track 0 could cause the BIOS to not recognize the disk as a boot disk.

My recommendation is that you review 5.1.1.5 step 12 and perform a MBR/Track 0 restore. 

I am hopeful this will work.  Please let us know.

Regards,

FtrPilot

FtrPilot,

Good observation about WIN 10 working with the HDD!

On my 1st recovery attempt using the Section10.2.2, pg 112, Migrating to SSD using the backup and recovery method, I did "select MBR and Track 0 box" and got both the boot up problem and the ~87 GB unallocated space. My 2nd recovery using the  I didn't "select MBR and Track 0 box".

My ACRONIS user guide doesn't have a Section 5.1.1.5.  I do have a Section 5.1.1.4, pg 70, Recovering your system to a new disk under bootable media, that starts by saying in step 12, pg 73 "Carefully read the summary of operations to be performed and then click Proceed". This is the section/proceedure I followed on the 2nd recovery.  Since I built the PC and I didn't install any "hidden partition created by the PC manufacture" so I didn't select MBR and Track 0 box.  However, I migrated from WIN 7 which does have a hidden partition.  Do you think ACRONIS groups the O/S builder, Microsoft, in with "PC manufactures"?

What's the worse thing that would happen if redo Section 5.1.1.4 and select MBR and Track 0 when it's not required?  Remember you're dealing with a newbie here.

Many thanks,  Patrick

I think that formatting MBR and Track 0 will fix your boot recognition problem.

And my ref to 5.1.1.5 should have been 5.1.1.4, step 12.

And the way I read the user manual, you can do that stand alone...you don't have to go through the whole restore. Just select the box for mbr & track 0.

What Windows operating system is on the hard drive has nothing to do with the BIOS recognizing the drive as a boot option. It either sees it or it doesn't. If the operating system is a problem, then you will get an error when you try to boot from the drive.

The hard drive you are trying to boot from should show up in the BIOS Advanced mode under Boot/Hard Drive BBS Properties. Click on Boot Option 1 and see if it is listed. If it is, select it. If it is not listed, your only option is to flash Bios version 2104. I had an Asus P8P67 Deluxe motherboard flashed to BIOS version 2104 running Windows 10 with no problem. The Deluxe board is probably a little different than the the LE board. It may have different contollers. What controller you have the drive connected to can make a difference. I looked on the Asus website for your user manual. They do not list the P8P67 LE board, so I could not look to see what controllers your board has. Just try Bios 2104 and see if it corrects the problem.

FtrPilot,

OK  I'll give it a try today let you know how it goes.

Mustang,

I'll restate the problem I have.  The new SSD does not show up in the BIOS Advance mode under Boot Options Priorities However, it does show up in the BIOS Advance mode under Boot Override and I'm unable to get the SSD to show up in under the Boot Option Priorities list. I now boot the PC by clicking on the SSD in the Boot Override list. 

I'm reluctant to try the BIOS upgrade in light of the consequences if something goes wrong.  I'm a believer in the If it ain't broke, don't fix mentality. 

Thanks to all.

I understand.

Does the SSD show up in BIOS Advanced mode under Boot\Hard Drive BBS Priorities? This sets the order of the hard drives seen by the BIOS. It may be that it is listed but is just too low on the list to show up on the Boot Priorities shown above. If it is listed there, you can move it to the top of the list. I find it difficult to beleive it could be bootable in the F8 Boot Override list without showing in the Hard Drive BBS Priorities list.  If it is not listed there is nothing you can do except reflash the BIOS or move it to a different controller. What are the controllers on the P8P67 LE? The Intel P67 chipset supports 2 SATA 6 Gbps ports and 4 SATA 3 Gbps ports. How many ports does your Intel contoler have? Are there any additional controllers on the board? If so, what ports do the have?

Hi Mustang,

Here's my problem statement: "The problem developed when I used the Acronis True Image 2016, Build 6027, to change the C-Drive in my home-built PC from a 150 GB HDD to a 240 GB SanDisk SSD.  While the system recognizes the new 240 GB SSD if will not permit me to insert the new drive into the BIOS’ Boot Option Priorities sequence list.  I can get the system to boot from the SSD only by selecting the SSD drive (listed as SDSSDXPS240G) in the BIOS “Boot Override” list. I cannot get the BIOS to show the SSD in the “Boot Option Priorities” list."

I'm conversant with changing the the Boot Option Priorities list.

Here are two links to info that can best answer your questions about hardware specifications and configurations.

Owner's Manual (see Version E6348): https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/P8P67_LE/HelpDesk_Manual/

Specs: https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/P8P67_LE/specifications/

Hope this helps,  Patrick

Thanks for the links. I have your manual. I can see a mistake in the Motherboard Layout picture at 1.5.3. The 11 1nd 12 should be reversed. The two gray ports are Intel and the navy blue port in Marvell. What port is you SSD connected to?

I've attached the scanned sections 1.5.3 (pg 1-8) and 1.5.4 (pg 1-9) that show my M/B layout.  My recent work to install the new SSD and remove the old Drive-C HDD confirmed the accuracy of the attached file at least as far as port grouping, colors and labels. There are two grey ports and one blue port grouped as shown on the drawing. Are you saying the 2 gray ports are really 7-pin Marvel Serial ATA 6.0Gb/s  ports?

I have pluged the new SSD into the gray port label on the M/B as SATA6G_1 port.  The old HDD was pluged into a SATA3G port (see items 13 on the attached file).  I think it was port SATA3G_1.

The grey ports are Intel. The navy blue port is Marvell. What happens if you switch the SSD to the Marvell navy blue port? You will need to enable the Marvell to AHCI mode and enable the Marvell OPROM.

Do me a favour. I'd like to see what you are seeing for myself.

Enter your BIOS and click on Boot/Hard Drive BBS Priorities. Then hit the F12 key to save a screenshot to a USB flash drive. Then reboot and press the F8 key tp display the Boot Override list. Use a digital camera to take p picture of the screen. Please post both screenshots.

Will do and get back with you tomorrow.

Mustang,

I have some bad news and some good news.

The Bad News:  I was unable to get a screen shot of the BIOS display showing contents of the Hard Drive BBS Priorities. When I'd press F12 I kept get a message to  Select Flash Drive (or words to that effect). I had a multi-Gig flash drive plugged into the M/B (thru a front panel arrangement to USB ports on the M/B) so I was stumped and didn't get the screen shot you asked for you.

The Good News:  I can now boot from my new SSD w/o going into the BIOS to click on the SSD in the Boot Override list in the BOOT section of the Advanced (not EZ) Display!  The basic problem was a "cockpit error" on my part with a major contributing factor from ASUS.  The problem is that I never saw (nor did the P8P67 LE manual discuss) a section of the BOOT display section entitled Hard Drive BBS Priorities.  

I have a SanDisk USB micro-chip reading hub (it can read 4 different sized chips) that I normally leave connected thru the case front panel to a M/B USB port.  The chip reader shows up in the BIOS Boot display as four "Generic Storage Device 9999" devices.  This adds items to the display requiring the viewer to scroll down to see everything on the display page.  I never scrolled down because of the funky scrolling arrangement that led me to believe I was seeing all the content on that page and the fact that ASUS manual never talks about a display called Hard Drive BBS Priorities anywhere in the manual. In the course of trying to get a screen shot per your request, I disconnected the chip reader hub leaving only the jump drive connected.  Lo and behold the Hard Drive BBS Priorities list then became visable.  In it was listed the SSD and the HHD I have (the external drive connected thru the eSATA back-panel port didn't show) .  In the Hard Drive BBS Priorities list I promoted the SSD to a higher priority than the HDD .  That action resulted in the SSD appearing in the Boot Option Priorities list.  I then promoted the SSD to the top of the list and found that the PC now boots normally from the SSD.  

BTW: Having the Flash Drive connected results in a UEFI type drive being displayed in the BIOS EZ Display.  Who knew? The manual never mentions UEFI.  The acronym, UEFI, does show it in a screen shot on page 2-4 of the manual when discussing how to boot the system in the DOS environment, which I reader closely studied.

You have to take some credit for the fix.  Many many thanks.

I was never able to use the F12 button to take BIOS screen shots.  I looks like its trying to get a screen shot on a Falsh Drive and is asking me for an input but I don't understand how the input is made.  Can you point me in the right direction for doing this?  

Again, many thanks,  Patrick (aka USN1Guy)

You're welcome.

That is what I suspected all along. It was on the list, but just too far down.

When you press the F12 key for a BIOS screenshot, the flash drive should show just below the message you are seeing. You simply click on the listed drive and a screenshot is saved to the drive. For some reason your BIOS is not seeing the drive as a flash drive. It may be the type of drive that reports itself as a fixed drive or you may need to put it into a different USB port. Try different drives and/or different ports on the back panel.

Thanks again.

I feel that I should advise people, such as myself, who are using ACRONIS s/w to migrate to a SSD C-Drive of the lessons learn here. 

The advise is to use the backup and recover process.  There may be situations when the clone migration is best but I can't advise to that.  As is often said, Read the manual!  

When using the recovery process don't shortcut the process by using the abreviated process under section 10.2.2, pg 112, Migrating to SSD using the backup and recovery method. However, do read and understand sections 10.2, Migrating your system from an HHD to and SSD. 

I'd advise using the more complete procedure in section 5.1.1.4, pg 70, Recovering your system to a new disk under bootable media. [FWI: my HDD was connected to a SATA3 port and I connected my SSD to a SATA6 port.  The result was good high speed connection to the SSD.]  If your old HDD is smaller than the new SSD, be prepared to take some time to understand what is going on when you sequence the two or three partitions onto the new drive  to avoid an unallocated SSD space as I first did.  I had three partitions to migrate my WIN 7 O/S which were 1) 100MB 'System Reserved' partition if you are using WIN 7 or later, 2) The primary partition measured in GB, 3) the the 450 MB Acronis 'Recovery Partition' partition (if used).  Be prepared to show where any unallocated SSD capacity should go. The unallocated space usually goes as part of the GB sized partition so the unallocated space go immediately after the large partition.

NOTE: WIN 7, WIN 8.x, WIN 10 all use a hidden 'System Reserved' partition.  This is NOT the same as a hidden partition '... created bt the PC manufacturer, ...'.  So don't be misled by the discussion on pg 73 following para 12 about such partitions.  You MAY have such a partition if you bought a 'turn-key' system with an O/S installed.  Make sure you know if the 'manufacture hidden partition' discussionon pg 73 of the manual applies to you.

Follow the Acronis directions as written once you fully understand their words.

Patrick,

Great advice...

Glad you finally got this sorted out.

Regards,

FtrPilot