Multiple backups
im using Acronis true image to back programs i have on mapped network hard drives.
so i have ea mapped hard drive do a local backup to an external hard drive attached to my computer. ea hard drive has its own folder under a primary folder named backups, then i have to root folder backups being backed up to the cloud picture attached.
at random time i get Failed to back up file or folder '//Folder Name/f'. It may be blocked by another application.
also is it not possible to backup more then 1 mapped network hard drive to cloud ?
2/13/2020 11:00:00 AM: -----
2/13/2020 11:00:00 AM: ATI Demon started. Version: 24.5.1.22510.
2/13/2020 11:00:00 AM: Backup reserve copy attributes: format tib; need_reserve_backup_copy false;
2/13/2020 11:00:00 AM: Operation Autospin Local started by schedule.
2/13/2020 11:00:01 AM: Backup reserve copy attributes: format tib; need_reserve_backup_copy false;
2/13/2020 11:00:01 AM: Operation: Backup
2/13/2020 11:00:01 AM: Priority changed to Low.
2/13/2020 11:00:03 AM: Error 0x17001a: Failed to create snapshot for backup.
2/13/2020 11:00:03 AM: Create Backup Archive From: \\Autospin\f\dh\
To file: Autospin Local_inc_b1_s2_v1.tib Compression: Normal Exclude: System files
2/13/2020 11:00:15 AM: Failed to back up file or folder '\\?\UNC\Autospin\f'. It may be blocked by another application.
Failed to back up the file. (0x170027)
Path = "\\?\UNC\Autospin\f",
$module = "ti_demon_vs_22510"
Archive::BackupOperationContext::OnError:
c:\bs_hudson\workspace\23\archive\backuper.cpp(850)
Error occurred while reading the file. (0x40001)
$module = "ti_demon_vs_22510"
ChunkNTBackupStream:
c:\bs_hudson\workspace\23\core\file\ntstream_chunker.cpp(244)
Error occurred while reading the file. (0x40001)
$module = "ti_demon_vs_22510"
`anonymous-namespace'::ReadStreamHeader:
c:\bs_hudson\workspace\23\core\file\ntstream_chunker.cpp(54)
Failed to back up the file (folder). (0x40019)
Path = "\\?\UNC\Autospin\f",
Hints = 1),
$module = "ti_demon_vs_22510"
`anonymous-namespace'::NTBackupStream::Read:
c:\bs_hudson\workspace\23\core\file\windows\winnt_backup.cpp(817)
The parameter is incorrect (0xFFF0)
code = 80070057),
$module = "ti_demon_vs_22510"
Common::Error::AddWindowsError:
c:\bs_hudson\workspace\23\core\common\error.cpp(307) : None
2/13/2020 11:02:27 AM: Failed to back up file or folder '//Autospin/f'. It may be blocked by another application.
Error occurred while backing up. (0x40019)
$module = "ti_demon_vs_22510"
`anonymous-namespace'::BackuperHelper::WriteNodeData:
c:\bs_hudson\workspace\23\archive\backuper.cpp(788)
Error occurred while reading the file. (0x40001)
$module = "ti_demon_vs_22510"
ChunkNTBackupStream:
c:\bs_hudson\workspace\23\core\file\ntstream_chunker.cpp(244)
Error occurred while reading the file. (0x40001)
$module = "ti_demon_vs_22510"
`anonymous-namespace'::ReadStreamHeader:
c:\bs_hudson\workspace\23\core\file\ntstream_chunker.cpp(54)
Failed to back up the file (folder). (0x40019)
Path = "\\?\UNC\Autospin\f",
Hints = 1),
$module = "ti_demon_vs_22510"
`anonymous-namespace'::NTBackupStream::Read:
c:\bs_hudson\workspace\23\core\file\windows\winnt_backup.cpp(817)
The parameter is incorrect (0xFFF0)
code = 80070057),
$module = "ti_demon_vs_22510"
Common::Error::AddWindowsError:
c:\bs_hudson\workspace\23\core\common\error.cpp(307) : None
2/13/2020 11:06:18 AM: Error 0x170019: The item was skipped.
2/13/2020 11:06:30 AM: Writing incremental version to file: Autospin Local_inc_b1_s2_v1.tib
2/13/2020 11:06:33 AM: The following backups have been successfully created: H:\Machine Backups\Autospin\Autospin Local_inc_b1_s2_v1.tib
2/13/2020 11:06:34 AM: Operation has succeeded.
Start: 2/13/2020 11:00:00 AM
Stop: 2/13/2020 11:06:34 AM
Total Time: 00:06:34
1st off sorry for the delay it's been extremely crazy here to last few month, not to mention the reset of the world. and thank you for your time.Steve Smith wrote:Tony, welcome to these public User Forums.
More questions than answers at this point.
What system(s) are hosting the mapped network drives here?
Are these other Windows computers, Network boxes, Linux etc?What OS is running on the hosting computer(s)?
the host computer is windows 10, the source machine is running windows nt. I have the source drives network mapped to the windows 10 computer, and when selecting the source i select the mapped drive, then mapped folder location . destination of the backup is going to a 1tb external ssd drive, that's plugged in via usb 3.0.
i have a weekly cloud backup taken from the external ssd drive to cloud of all 3 machine, so it's only 1 cloud backup a week
one thing i did notice is that when selecting the source mapped network drive i'm never asked the login credentials for the remote pc.
What filesystem is being used? (NTFS, FAT32, EXT4...) ill say ntfs since it's windows nt, but not 100% positive and its set by the machine mfg
From the log messages:
2/13/2020 11:00:03 AM: Error 0x17001a: Failed to create snapshot for backup.
This is normal for any Source data that is not local as VSS snapshot can only run on the local machine. What this means is that ATI cannot also capture a snapshot if the source data is locked on the host system, thus some of the further messages being shown if another application on that host system does hold a lock on the data being backed up.
2/13/2020 11:00:15 AM: Failed to back up file or folder '\\?\UNC\Autospin\f'.
It may be blocked by another application.
Failed to back up the file. (0x170027)
Path = "\\?\UNC\Autospin\f",
$module = "ti_demon_vs_22510"
Archive::BackupOperationContext::OnError:
c:\bs_hudson\workspace\23\archive\backuper.cpp(850)
Error occurred while reading the file. (0x40001)You can try setting the Options > Advanced > Error handling to retry after a longer interval, say after 60 or 90 seconds and see if the lock is released, or else you need to ensure that there are no other operations using or locking the data on the remote host system.
also is it not possible to backup more then 1 mapped network hard drive to cloud ?
No, not correct, you can have as many backups as you want within the limits of the storage space you have subscribed for in the cloud.
The only limitation is that no more than one backup can be active at any time, any other backup tasks would be queued behind the active task.
Tony, thanks for the further information which leads to yet more questions?
Do you really have Windows NT systems in this mix?
Are these NT systems running on real hardware or are they virtual machines?
Note: the last version of ATI to support Windows NT 4.0 SP6 was ATI 9.0 from around 2005/6 time period!
What exactly are you mapping from the NT systems to your Windows 10 Host computer?
Is this the Win NT OS drive?
What is it that you are wanting to backup here?
Your initial post spoke about backing up programs but all versions of ATI can only do this within the context of the whole drive where the OS & programs are installed.
Steve Smith wrote:Tony, thanks for the further information which leads to yet more questions?
Do you really have Windows NT systems in this mix? yes they are running nt 4.0 build 1381
Are these NT systems running on real hardware or are they virtual machines? real hardwareNote: the last version of ATI to support Windows NT 4.0 SP6 was ATI 9.0 from around 2005/6 time period!
What exactly are you mapping from the NT systems to your Windows 10 Host computer?
Is this the Win NT OS drive?we have 5 cnc machine running a sinumerki 840d controller. im trying backing up the program files, which is nothing more then a simple text file that contains the g-code for the machining process, which has a .mpf extension vs .txt, located on F:\dh\mpf\ not the os partition.
we also have 2 running windows 10 and them aren't a problem what so ever they backup fine. i remember i had to.
remember having a problem seeing the nt machines at first and had to change the network security to use NTLMv2 session security if negotiated.
im not proficient in networking like you can't tell :)
What is it that you are wanting to backup here?
Your initial post spoke about backing up programs but all versions of ATI can only do this within the context of the whole drive where the OS & programs are installed.
Tony, thanks for the further information. I would suggest trying a different method of achieving the same end result rather than backing up the network share of the NT folder data.
Copy the files stored in the F:\dh\mpf\ folder via the network share on the Win 10 computer to a local destination, then make a local backup of that location using ATI on the Win 10 system. Doing this will eliminate any need for ATI to navigate network shares or source locations and you could have separate folders (on the Win 10) for each of your 5 CNC machines that you could backup with a single Files & Folders backup task.
I am assuming that you have no issues with accessing the NT shared folders on the Win 10 PC and you may already have mapped drive letters to the NT shares if needed.
Yes I'm able to access all the machines via their mapped network drives, and able to share files between them without a problem. Your suggestion will work, and is what I was doing before for years. The whole reason i purchase ati was to make it automated so I wouldn't have to continue doing it the primitive way, so at this point my purchase was pretty much a waste of money. Who would I contact to request a full refund? If I have to continue doing it the old way ati is now unless.
Tony, it should still be possible to automate this alternative method without having to do all the copying manually, and that automation could be included in the ATI backup task by using a Pre Command to do the copy before the backup runs.
I would be happy to help you further with doing this if you can share more details of how you were doing the copy previously?
In terms of any refund, you would need to contact Acronis or whoever you purchased ATI from and be within 30 days of purchase.
thank you for you support, i really appreciate it .
how i was previously backing up
I would go to the mapped drive source folder, which is
(\\DENN) (Z:) mpf.dir
id click on 1 file hold ctrl+a, then ctrl+c
now id go to the folder where i wanted to save them to on my external drive which is
H:\Machine Backups\Denn
the above is just 1 machine, ex machine has it's own mapped drive for the source and machine folder under
H:\Machine Backs\
if i know how to do one machine i should be able to replicate it for the other machines.
Tony, I have created a small Pre Command batch file that works fine for my test folders & files but which you will need to adjust to your specific files / folders.
I have tested this with some .log files but you should change the filelist to your own type of files to be copied.
CopyCNCfiles.BAT
@echo off set src1="Z:\mpf.dir" set tgt1="S:\Machine Backups\Denn" set filelist="*.log" set tgtlog1=%userprofile%\Desktop\CopyCNCfiles1.txt robocopy %src1% %tgt1% %filelist% /mir /v /np /log:%tgtlog1% set src2="Y:\mpf.dir" set tgt2="S:\Machine Backups\Fred" set filelist="*.log" set tgtlog2=%userprofile%\Desktop\CopyCNCfiles2.txt robocopy %src2% %tgt2% %filelist% /mir /v /np /log:%tgtlog2% exit /b 0
The above CopyCNCfiles.BAT would be added as a Pre Command in the Advanced Options page for your backup task so that it copies the most recent files from your mapped folders before creating a backup image.
this worked great, thank you for all your help. i did change the .bat file to make it per machine vs batches.
i have it copying all the files to a directory i created for that machine, then making a backup in a "backup" directory. next created a cloud backup of just the backups directory and leaving the files. my only question is there a way to make a post command to delete all the files that where copied to the local drive after ati makes its backup by changing robocopy to robodelete and putting it in post command vs pre?
@echo off set tgt1="H:\Machine Backups\Denn" set filelist="*.mpf" set tgtlog1=%userprofile%\Desktop\Denn2.txt robodelete %src1% %tgt1% %filelist% /mir /v /np /log:%tgtlog1% exit /b 0
Tony, glad the batch command approach is working as you need.
There is no such thing as robodelete but such is not needed as you can use another simple batch script to clear the source files.
DeleteCNCfiles.BAT
@echo off set tgt="H:\Machine Backups" set filelist="*.mpf" del %tgt%\%filelist% /Sexit /b 0
The above BAT file can be used in your Post Command and will delete all the .mpf files in all subdirectories of your tgt folder.
You can add the line: dir %tgt%\%filelist% /S before the del line if you want to test and see what files are found.
Note: Robocopy in the Pre Command script will automatically mirror the contents of the source folder to the target one, removing any files in the target folder that are not found in the source folder via the /mir switch and keeping all the files an exact match.
once again thank you for everything, all worked great
Tony, glad to be able to help, thanks for the feedback.
not sure what changed but this was working great until what seems to be 7/21, i hadn't noticed it until yesterday when i went looking for something in the backups. below is a screen shot of the error I'm receiving
below is a copy of what i have in the .bat
@echo off
set src1="Y:\mpf.dir"
set tgt1="H:\Machine Backups\Auto_spin"
set filelist="*.mpf"
set tgtlog1=%userprofile%\Desktop\Autospin.txt
robocopy %src1% %tgt1% %filelist% /mir /v /np /log:%tgtlog1%
exit /b 0
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thank you in advance
solved, for some reason H changed to F
thank you
ow would i changed the batch script to deleted entire directories, vs just .mpf files? i have added our laser and copying all the part directories, same prescript works great, i just don't know how t o edit to batch script to delete once they are all copied over and backed up
thank you
this worked incase anyone else needs it
@ECHO OFF
rem next line removes all files in mapped folder
DEL /A /F /Q /S "path to folder root\*.*"
rem next line cleans up the folder's content
FOR /D %%p IN ("path to folder root\*.*") DO RD "%%p" /S /Q