ATI 2013 / Plus - Backup to JBOD and Convert Incremental or Differential to Full?

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Hi I have been very happily using this product for a couple generations now and have reached a point where backing up my 12TB Media server is becoming an issue.

I'd like some advice on how to best configure for backing up from a 12TB esata RAID 10 array to a USB3 12TB JBOD. (both attached to the same media server)

Ideally I'd like to purchase a cheap 4bay USB 3 dock with 4TB drives JBOD or RAID 0 (SPAN) and have the backup automatically move onto the next drive when each drive is full. Can the rules be setup to do this?

Also is their the option to convert a Inc or Diff set to a full backup?

Obviously backup speeds and backup windows are starting to potentially become and issue and I may have to resort to a RAID 0 backup target to get a good enough write speed (>200Mb/s).

Or can the software be setup to run parallel backup jobs to increase the backup speed if using RAID > JBOD/SPAN backup.

I'm also thinking of changing my production media server array to RAID 0 SPAN or RAID 5 to increase storage capacity and am worried about RAID 5 URE during a rebuild with a disk failure more likely with these sorts of capacities.

The software has so far well and truly paid for itself with several crappy OCZ SSD OS drives panic locking and recovered my Media server once from a failed RAID set (corrupt GUID)

Im very nervous about changing anything, but capacities now dictate that I do something. I just need some guidance as getting this wrong will be very costly as all my family videos/photos etc are also stored on the media array and are now too big to put into the cloud or just copy around to PCs or USB drives.

Many Thanks,
Hilton

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 11:40
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Hilton,
When a destination becomes full, user intervention is required to complete a back up task. You are prompted to specify an alternate destination. This is not automated or automatic.

There is no option to convert an Inc or Diff to Full. You either make fulls, or make Incs or Diffs which makes a full first, then creates slices in a version chain based on quotas or retention rules.

I would go RAID5 and keep a hot spare, plus and extra disk at all times. You are already into the major $$$ because of the amount of data you have. You may also want to consider a subscription based off site backup for redundancy. It would be foolish to think that a single back up, plus the data itself is adequate protection. But, I understand the costs that are involved.

What comes to mind. QNAP, Synology, DROBO, Amazon S3, Elephant... You are past the average home users data threshold. Heck, even I only have 8TB. Good luck.

Tue, 02/25/2014 - 16:53
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Thanks for the info.

There are much cheaper solutions for backup targets than the NAS devices you mentioned, since my media server will effectively become a backup server all I need is disk capacity and a backup configuration with ATI2013.

Extra disk capacity is easy and cheap enough to add with SAS/sata expanders in cheap cases or USB3 external RAID enclosures. (Which is what Im currently using, 4bay and 8bay esata/USB3 jMicron hardware RAID boxes are a fraction of the cost of QNAP etc. and read/write up to 500Mb/s locally and up to 60Mb/s over the network)

I guess I'll have to go with RAID 5 for main storage and workout how to span my backups.
Thanks again. I'll report back what I end up doing after running a few backup tests.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 08:04
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Looks like Acronis Backup and Recovery 11.5 Advanced will be able to do what I want with spanning disks using storage node vaults.
Looks a lot more complicated to setup but I think I can manage it!

I've installed the trial and let you know how it goes!

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 11:18
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Well ABR11.5A doesn't quite do what I need either because it wont span backups across drives or vaults. But it has given me some ideas for how to manage my backups. I just have to come at it from a different angle. ABR11.5A is an amazing product and I think I'll be upgrading anyway from what I've seen it will make it easy to have automated backups of all the machines in my house from a central backup server. (my media server)

Im going to create either 3TB partitions or folder mount points and re-layout all my data. I can then mount the folders as drives and then backup the individual mount points, or if I do partitions I can just back up the partition. Either way I have a nice tidy manageable data set that fits nicely into 4TB drives with 1TB of space for incrementals per 4TB backup target.

Since its just media files, the front end media player doesn't care where its kept and this makes the data sizes more manageable for backups.
Will probably speed up backups too as I wont be writing any new data to full partitions they wont need to backed up as often, just a single backup that I redo and check monthly will be sufficient which means I can just concentrate on backing up the current active partition/folder where all new data will be active. This way I reduce my backup window significantly as a weekly full will only at worst be 4TB and I can schedule a new full backup of all the static data on the old partitions with integrity checks at anytime during the week.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 03:52