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ATIH 2011: as good as 2009 or as bad as 2010?

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Hello,

1. My dealer just informed me that ATIH 2011 is issued. I reverted from 2010 to 2009 because of its insufficiency. I would be glad about reports of 2011 experiences.

2. Is it possible to install the trial version 2011 without of uninstalling 2009?

Thanks in advance,

Anselm

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Any change from 2009 will require an un-install of 2009 before installing any new version.

There are numerous changes in the 2011 release. Only you know what your requirements are. You can download the trial version and take it for a ride. Be prepared to do things a new way. You would spend reading time with the user manual before attempting to use it.

If you decide to try the trail version,
1. Use your 2009 Rescue CD and create a new full disk backup (all partitions) and validate this as part of the creation process.
2. Only then un-install 2009 before installing the 2011 trial.
3. If you decide to keep the 2011 trial, you can add the 2011 purchase serial number to the trial version so an uninstall of the trial would not be needed.
4. If you decide to revert to the 2009 version, my suggestion would be to restore the disk backup created in step 1.

An addition to Grover's comments.

Make sure you can boot from the CD and all your drives can be seen, before continuing.

Another possibility is to download something like VirtualBox (a free download Virtual Machine Server) and install a copy of your OS on it, then you can try any software without upsetting your current system.

Not sure how well 2009's T&D would work in trialing TI - ought to work.

The downside of using a VM is that you will need an extra licence for the installed OS.

If you want to try VirtualBox you can use one of your Acronis full backup files and convert it to a VHD (Windows file) once you have done this you will have quite a large file. This can be made smaller by using VirtualBox to convert the VHD into a native VDI which in my case was about half the size.

"C:\Program Files\Oracle\VirtualBox\vboxmanage" clonehd whatever_you_called_it.vhd whatever_you_want_to_call_it.vdi --format vdi

Use: "C:\Program Files\Oracle\VirtualBox\vboxmanage" /?

for a full list of options

Once you have the VDI make sure it is registered start VBox then look at this menu option File/Virtual Media Manager. Once it is there you can then add the Virtual machine.

One recommendation I would give is to create a snapshot before you start the VM and that way you will always have the original untarnished image to revert to if you want to start again without having to go through the conversions etc...

I have found it works very well - you will be told that you need to activate but don't try that as it will not work. You will then have enough time to do whatever tests you want but after three days you will be told your copy of windows is not genuine again ignore this and don't try to activate. (so no to all the popup you get - yes they are annoying but you do get to try before you buy for a while)

You can also create one or more other disks which you will probably want to be outside of the snapshots where you can store your backup images. when you have created a disk you need to use this command to make the disk independent of OS snapshots:

"C:\Program Files\Oracle\VirtualBox\vboxmanage" modifyhd new_disk.vdi --type writethrough

then point ATIH at that disk when you want to make a backup. call the disk whatever you want and make it whatever size you want.

One other word of warning when you try to start the VM it may not boot. This is probably because it is attached to the SATA disk controller which is AHCI. Try moving the disk to the IDE controller. Once you have added a single disk to any controller you can browse for the right disk using the browse button on the right of the settings/storage screen it is the folder icon with the green up arrow head.

Hope that helps

Anselm wrote:

Hello,

1. My dealer just informed me that ATIH 2011 is issued. I reverted from 2010 to 2009 because of its insufficiency. I would be glad about reports of 2011 experiences.

2. Is it possible to install the trial version 2011 without of uninstalling 2009?

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Interesting...everyone seems to have answered #2 and ignored question #1. That's not an encouraging sign. I too uninstalled 2010 for a refund and reverted to 2009, and I also would be interested in hearing the experience of others regarding 2011. I'm baffled as to why no responders here have related their experience with 2011. Perhaps (hopefully), others will.

If history is any indicator, odds are ATI2011 will be pretty good, at least after the initial bug fixes, including those reproted during beta testing that one or two that weren't addressed before the retail release.

For several years Acronis has been having ON years and OFF years. And the 2011 model year (9/2010-8/2011) should be an ON year.
ATI 8 was very good in its day--simple and pretty reliable;
ATI 10 was simply super -- not perfect but very solid (I still run it on several machines);
I only use ATI 11 where ATI10 is too old to work;
ATI2009 was pretty damn good -- had a much diff file management scheme than ATI10, with the advantage that you could name your automated backups yourself but with the disadvantage that the management depended on an internal database. Some liked it and used it (and still use it). Some stayed with ATI10. I use the ATI2009 BootCD for all my restores, it the most reliable and most functional of the BootCds to-date, imo.

While many compalined that ATI2010 was a double-bagger, automated file managment wasn't automatic; nonstopbackup was nonstop consomuing too many resources or was nonstarting, it held promise that ATI2011 might avoid some of the larger, more critical flaws in basic features.

If history is any indicator, odds are ATI2011 will be pretty good. We all await the reports.

Here is one ATI2010 user recently said to me about the merits of ATI 2011:

After much sturm and drang studying this last night, and despite the fact that it is, as far as I could see, almost unmentioned by Acronis, ATI 2011 has a very promising way of doing scheduled BUs in a way that fits what some of us have been doing. I had to meticulously read the 2011 user guide to find this obscurely mentioned on just a page or two (like pages 132 and 133).

ATI 2011 does not have "Tasks" like we are used to. However any particular BU setup can have a schedule added to it. And part of that schedule is that you can declare how many of each particular kind of BU to keep at a BU location. This means that we could do things like we are used to, naming BUs by day. Or we could just, for example, have one total BU that runs every other day and just say to keep 7 (or whatever number there is room for) before automatically deleting the oldest. The point is that this is actually much more straightforward and robust than what we are used to.

Also, ATI 2011 can wake a machine from hibernation to run; a long awaited feature taht might obviate the need to use the Windows Task Manager.

There is some disappointment that ATI 2011 does not restore to SDDs in a way that respects their starting sector in the way necessary for the SDD be to be optimized, but there is a workaround for that and anyway only seems to only be an issue when the BU is from an HDD. The workaround is to make the SDD's partitions in Windows (or with Disk Director v11) before restoring to them.

Scott Hieber wrote:

Here is one ATI2010 user recently said to me about the merits of ATI 2011:

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Thanks, Scott, for your comprehensive reply. I think I am fortunate in that I missed most of the 'bad years'. I started off with version 7, continued with versions 8, 9, 10 and finally, 2009. As previously stated, 2010 was uninstalled and refunded. OVer theyears, I've been very satisfied with TI, but have been concerned that they might go the way of Norton.

At any rate, I have no use for the bells and whistles and schedule only 2 backups per week (one for my System partition, one for my Data partition). The rest of my backups are initiated on demand via unscheduled tasks as necessary.

That said, all I ask from a TI version is the ability to accommodate the above mentioned 'simple' needs, without the inevitable complexity and instabilities that often accompanies later versions. The reason 2010 was uninstalled here is because it failed the 'stability' requirement. I just could not get it to operate reliably and properly, even though all traces of 2009 had been removed.

Because of the issues I had with 2010, I'll take a "wait and see" approach with 2011. Let's hope that this year is a 'good year'.

Thanks!

Thank you for your interesting and helpful replies. I'm sorry - I didn't get an advice, that's why I didn't answer before.

To must uninstall the previous version before installing the 2011 trial will be necessary but is a barrier for me to do so. Additionally I assume 2011 backups are not downwardly compatible. I consider VirtualBox but expect a lot of work, too. I'm not really motivated to risk the experiment.

Regards, Anselm

You can't have two version installed on the same machine. ant version x should be able to restore backups made with version X-1, usually X-2 also.
You often have to recreate your tasks but I haven't tested this in 2011 yet.