Can't clone 1TB HD to another 1TB HD
I have always been able to successfully clone smaller to larger, e.g.: 400GB to 1TB.
But I can't seem to clone 1TB to 1TB.
Images attached below show, in sequence, Acronis Clone Wizard screens as I’m attempting to clone. The last screen shows the problem (i.e., the clone attempt failed). The two reasons Acronis states are not true. I checked the Destination disk via CkDsk utility. No problems found. I also used another new 1TB HD for Destination. But this also fails to clone.
I have tried a couple of different configs in the Clone Wizard (using both Automatic and Manual control, e.g., As Is, Proportional, Manual). No difference.
Also, it does not matter whether I try to clone from internal SATA IDE to external USB or whether both drives are located inside the PC using SATA IDE. Again, no difference: The Acronis TI fault is the same (and always the same written fault).
(The 1TB drives are identical Hitachi Deskstars)
After formatting the 1TB drives, the volume capacity drops to ~931GB.
The Source drive contains ~785GB of used space and 146GB free space. This adds up to 931GB, as noted above. The Destination drive is new and contains the full 931GB as free space.
FYI, I’m using:
Win XP Pro SP2
Acronis True Image v9.x (purchased 2006)
You are trying to clone the entier hardisk image form one drive to another, yes?
My guess is that the target drrve is slightly smaller than the source drive and so the source won't fit. They might both be 1TB, but that's a large rounded-off, nomiminal number.
Why don't you try making a backup and then restoring it to a diff size drive, you can then specify to allocate all of the space onthe target drive for the restored partition?
My guess is that the target drrve is slightly smaller than the source drive and so the source won't fit. They might both be 1TB, but that's a large rounded-off, nomiminal number. Why don't you try making a backup and then restoring it to a diff size drive, you can then specify to allocate all of the space on the target drive for the restored partition?
Yes, entire disk (which is the whole drive in my case). But not, IMAGE. The Clone feature, TTBOMK, is pretty much a 1:1 (bit-for-bit) copy, aka "ghost".
See the image in the second post. First, the entire Source disk is not used -- there is about 145GB free space. Whereas the Destination drive is all free space. Acronis is supposed to be able to compensate for minor discrepancies, by using Proportional option (that is default, anyway).
The “Backup” route (which creates a *.tib image) is not ideal for me because: I’ll need a THIRD drive; too many manual steps; too many chances of things going wrong. IMO and for my personal backup prefs/habits, the Clone tool is way simpler, and way more reliable. Yes, I know Acronis is mostly known for its image-based backups, but I bought it (and use it almost exclusively) as a 1:1 (bit-to-bit) cloning tool (and as an alternative to Norton Ghost). For years, the Clone feature has worked flawlessly … until now.
Hey, Acronis Customer Support: I can’t locate my TI’s serial no. (I checked my email messages, from Acronis, from the time I purchased (Spring 2006) and no serial was given as far as I could tell.). W/o the serial, your automated Contact system will not allow me to contact you. I can give you my Name, email, etc., and you can find my records to confirm purchase. We really need to solve the above issue!
KH how did you manage to install TI without the serial number or are you using the trial version at present?
If you did install TI with a serial number then it is available to you in the About box.
It will also be available to you in your Acronis account assuming you have registered the product.
KH how did you manage to install TI without the serial number or are you using the trial version at present?
If you did install TI with a serial number then it is available to you in the About box.
It will also be available to you in your Acronis account assuming you have registered the product.
Good question! I have no idea. "About" was the first place I looked and it's not there (see attached screen capture of About below). Maybe Acronis did things differently in the past? Please realize that I noted that I can't LOCATE the SN, not that one does not exist or was ultimately provided. IAC, my earliest email record is a purchase acknowledgement dated 2006-05-17. I did not register the product, but I do have it installed on two PCs: a Dell laptop and DIY PC, both still running Win XP Pro SP2.
I still need a solution -- or an answer or reasonable explanation, at least -- to orig. cloning issue! If Acronis tech support does not want to chime in after all these days of problem unresolution, does this mean nobody knows -- I mean not even Acronis software engineers?! "Pretty embarassing for Acronis" -- that's what my old roommate, who orig. intro'd me to Acronis in 2006, said after reading this unresolved thread!
KH,
My mistake I read 2009 for v9.
If I recall correctly, you need to press the ALT key to get the About box option to appear.
I'm not sure how well TI 9 understands terabyte drives, but assuming for the moment that isn't the problem, are you trying the cloning from Windows or from the rescue CD?
KH,
My mistake I read 2009 for v9.
If I recall correctly, you need to press the ALT key to get the About box option to appear.
I'm not sure how well TI 9 understands terabyte drives, but assuming for the moment that isn't the problem, are you trying the cloning from Windows or from the rescue CD?
Setting up cloning is done in Windows. Acronis then shuts down the PC and re-starts so that the actual clone process occurs in pre-startup NT "DOS" mode. I think this is a 5-step process. When finished, there is a "Congratulations..." screen and one is prompted to "press any button" to proceed back to regular Windows start-up. One can then begin using the cloned drive as an original -- the motherboard or the OS or Bill Gates will never know the difference! It's that powerful a tool ... and (other than the current SET-UP-related glitch noted in this thread) I've never had it fail. For me, anyway, it's the easiest, fastest, cheapest, safest way to "backup" a drive.
Could you make the rescue CD and try it from that? If the rescue CD boots but has the same problem as the Windows based version, then I suspect the drive sizes might be the problem.
I don't have v9 installed at the moment nor a 1TB drive to test your problem on.
Note that Version 9 is like 5 or 6 years old and you could have driver issues with the bootCD on a 1TB drive. But I'd certianly try it. It only takes a fw minutes to make a BootCd and a few more to boot it and see if it recognizes your drives.
Note that Version 9 is like 5 or 6 years old and you could have driver issues with the bootCD on a 1TB drive. But I'd certianly try it. It only takes a fw minutes to make a BootCd and a few more to boot it and see if it recognizes your drives.
Not driver issue (see 1st post). The 1TB that is now Source was successfully cloned from a 400GB HD a few mos. ago.
Not going boot-disk route. I have to be able to clone. If this is not possible for some tech. reason, then Acronis engineers need to state why (in this thread) and offer possible solutions. As I noted above, cloning is the best option for my needs.
(Speaking of Acronis customer "support" -- if that's what they call it -- well, it's pathetic. First, note lack of their response thus far in this thread. Further, as noted above, you can't send them a direct email; contact form is dependent on a SN which I was never given for v9.x. And phone support is on a pay-per-incident basis. What a way to run a railroad!)
Setting up cloning is done in Windows. Acronis then shuts down the PC and re-starts so that the actual clone process occurs in pre-startup NT "DOS" mode. I think this is a 5-step process. When finished, there is a "Congratulations..." screen and one is prompted to "press any button" to proceed back to regular Windows start-up. One can then begin using the cloned drive as an original -- the motherboard or the OS or Bill Gates will never know the difference! It's that powerful a tool ... and (other than the current SET-UP-related glitch noted in this thread) I've never had it fail. For me, anyway, it's the easiest, fastest, cheapest, safest way to "backup" a drive.
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When the computer reboots it is using the same Linux drivers that the rescue CD uses, that is why you have been advised to make a rescue CD and see if it "sees" your hard drives.
Acronis ocassionally pops up pon this site but it's is not a regular venue for Acronis to provide direct technical support. Normally, you should contact Arconis Tech Support for that although I doubt any company will provide Tech Support for a version of a product that is that old.
You said you don't want to even try the boot Cd to clone, I don't understand; it's not more complicated; it's less complicated. You should try it unless. . . ;) Otherswise, I think you're might be sol with such an old version.
When the computer reboots it is using the same Linux drivers that the rescue CD uses, that is why you have been advised to make a rescue CD and see if it "sees" your hard drives.
Are you basically saying that if I make a boot CD, and then boot with that, I will hence be able to clone the native "C" drive on to an empty Destination drive (for cloning, I always use an external USB HD)?
KH,
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Cloning Risks:
In theory, there should be no risk to the source drive during cloning as the disk is only read. In practice, however, there has been far too many postings of something going wrong during the process. Sometimes it is the operator choosing the wrong disk and cloning the blank onto the master; other times, the power fails during the process; at other times, the computer freezes and the the drive is lost. Simply stated, why take the risk of cloning when it takes on a few minutes longer to do the restore with partition resize and the master disk is not even connected.
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Yes as Como stated, the TI Home Rescue/Recovery CD can be used to either clone; or perform a disk or partition restore.
Your best chance of success is to
1. Install the blank unformatted disk in its intended boot location.
2. Install the old source in an alternate location.
3. Boot from the Rescue CD
4. Perform the clone; or use the preferred option of restoring a prior disk option backup (all partitions included) using the partition resize method to achieve a duplicate disk but larger.
5. Shutdown and disconnect the source drive.
6. Reboot with only the new drive attached.
Added: also check post #16 below with the slideshow link.
Well, it's been said several diff ways, and reference has even been made to the manual. I think we've just about covered it here. all we're missing are the twenty-seven 8 by 10 colored glossy photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one. . . . ;)
Scott,
I know your were doing a little "tongue and cheek" suggestion. The attachment below is something I am working on. It's a slideshow showing how to restore a Win7 4 partition setup onto a large drive and resizing only the one main user partition.
This has all the pictures but lacks the signatures.
Unzip the zip file and dbl click on the slideshow. Remember, this is work in progress.
http://forum.acronis.com/sites/default/files/forum/2010/08/13892/_grove…
As Frank Sinatra once said, "If they don't like that, then I guess they don't like blacked-eyed peas on thanksgiving." ;)
KH,
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Cloning Risks:
In theory, there should be no risk to the source drive during cloning as the disk is only read. In practice, however, there has been far too many postings of something going wrong during the process. Sometimes it is the operator choosing the wrong disk and cloning the blank onto the master; other times, the power fails during the process; at other times, the computer freezes and the the drive is lost. Simply stated, why take the risk of cloning when it takes on a few minutes longer to do the restore with partition resize and the master disk is not even connected.
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The Boot CD "method" worked. I'm writing this message in a PC that was Boot-CD cloned. It took 16hrs to complete, which is 3x to 4x longer than I recall cloning a 400GB to 1TB, a few months back (that was done via the Windows-based Acronis Clone Wizard). I still like Windows-based cloning better ... WAY better. With the Boot CD, I have to go into BIOS, change booting order, and then one has to rely on a CD, which takes about 3-4mins to load on my PCs. The Windows-based cloning I think flashes the BIOS chip with cloning commnads; so upon re-start, the Acronis cloning commands work from BIOS (no CD necessary). Now that's clean n' convenient in my book.
GroverH: I don't understand whatt you mean by "why take the risk of cloning when it takes on a few minutes longer to do the restore with partition resize and the master disk is not even connected." You're not talking about cloning, but some sort of "imaging", right? If yes, then doesn't this mean I'll need a bunch more space for the image?
P.S: GroverH ... Since your feedback was particularly helpful, I hereby promote you to Super Grover status:
Imaging actually requires less space.
No, it doesn't flash the BIOS! It just uses an alternate bootstrap so that the harddisk boots up into linux and runs ATI rather than booting up into Win, and runs the commands that you prearranged when you instructed ATI, back when you were in win, to clone or backup or whatever.
KH,
Thank you for the promotion. :)
Many of us leave the bios setting the same all the time so anytime we insert a bootable CD, the drive will boot from it. If the CD is not bootable, it will play the CD or whatever else the CD does. If there is no CD in the tray, it will then go ahead and boot into Windows.
The main purpose of TrueImage Home is to make backups and then be able to restore those backups either overtop the existing partitions or to a new disk if needed. Cloning is just one of the several options of moving your system to a new disk.
If you have some spare reading time, check out my index located in my signature below. There should be many items of interest but look at #7 and #2 in particular.
Something I forgot to mention ... and this may be the most important "lesson" -- if I may be so bold -- to come out of this thread...
I was able to resolve the issue in a version of TI (v9, from 2006) that many suggested alone was a main source of trouble. I'm sure Acronis loves its loyal customers...its devoted fanbase (un- or under-examining customers) who gladly fork out $$ for anything blessed upon them from the "backup Gods". Sadly, this story is so ubiquitous ... i.e., it's not just Acronis. Every day, each one of us probably receives a dozen emails from companies whose products we've purchased in the past -- companies begging us to keep them in business. They employ slick marketers to "breed necessity" for all us under-examining members of the herd. Sure, these companies are here to make a buck...uh lotsa bucks, sometimes ... but the buck can stop here ... and we can all shout, "Acronis...not on my tab" or even "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not gonna take it anymore" . That last quote was from the 1976 comedy film, Network (it's about how corporations can sell us anything if they package/market it right). But the last laugh is on us if we surrender ... "fool me twice, shame on me."
I noted above my old roommate who intro'd me to ATI way back in 2006. He recently noted that he always upgrades because "...". And I swear the "..." read exactly like my last Acronis marketing email (or Acronis ads or Acronis boastings on this site).
Very rarely have I found a software product that one really needs to upgrade more than every 5-7 years.
Sage words, as always from Grove.
I would like to touch embellish slightly on one point. At boot up, if the CD in the drive is not a boot cd, it won't play or do anything--the BIOS won't be happy until it finds the bootstrap, and until it does, it doesn't have enough code loaded to play music, or read files, or do much of anything else until the PC loads enough code to load an operating system, which them provides all the instructions for the file system and other system operations. Which, is why the start of the boot disk (CD or harddisk) msut have the right sort of simple code in just the right place. In fact once the bootstrap is loaded, if it's a window bootstrap, the first thing it does is look for the start of the operating system files, which is a tiny file called ntdetect which instructs the computer to find and load a file called NTLDR (short for NT boot Loader -- up through XP, windows systems are descendants of the operating system called NT. Failure results in the ominous boot message "NTLDR missing - Please insert boot disk"
In Vista and later Win operating systems, NTLDR is replaced by two new components: winload.exe and the Windows Boot Manager, but let's not get complicated ;).
KH,
Thank you for the promotion. :)Many of us leave the bios setting the same all the time so anytime we insert a bootable CD, the drive will boot from it. If the CD is not bootable, it will play the CD or whatever else the CD does. If there is no CD in the tray, it will then go ahead and boot into Windows.