Is GPT supported in ati2014 Standard edition? Yes, but not Dynamic disks
Can't seem to find onthe web site info about GPT support in ATI2014 STandard.
Does anyone know if it supports backup and recovery of Disk images for GPT disks. With earlier versions one had to buy the plus plack, iirc.
Hello Scott,
you're certainly right about that.
GPT disks are supported by Acronis True Image 2014 itself. Dynamic disks support is available only in Acronis True Image 2014 Premium.
More information can be found in following article.
Thank you!
I just purchased and installed Acronis True Image 2014 Premium after some time on "Chat" with Acronis. The issue with GPT support seemed to confuse the "Chat" person for a little while. I was interested in 2014 Premium that supported both GPT formatted drives and the newer bios of UEIF. I can tell you that I have 4 Hard Drives including an SSD where the operating system is located (Win7 -X64). Also, I have one 3TB hard drive along with two other drives NOT GPT. When I installed the operating system on the SSD drive Windows made my SSD Hard Drive into a GPT drive. To utilize my full 3TB drive I had to make it a GBT drive. I believe that with UEIF bios, the hard drive, with the operating system, must be GPT. I am new to both Acronis and GPT drives.
Off subject - but here's a link (Video) on how to fully install a HD over 2.1TB She is not using software for the motherboard so I would assume her M/B bios supports over 2.1TB - hence no software - My 3TB came with software to utilize a large drive, if needed.
Link:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHAIDprjmYo ---- I have no interest or connection with this person...
Any corrections would be helpful. Thanks
Bob
Unless you need to use the drive in, say, an XP machine, then I recommend that you format your drives GPT -- some folks have portable drives that need to be MBR formatted so that they can be read on XP machines. A GPT formatted drive is superior to the old MBR method of partitioning in several important ways, not the least of which is improved data security and disk size. For example, a Windows GPT-based disk has multiple, redundant partition tables so that if one is detected as being corrupt, it can self-heal itself from a redundant copy of the table. MBR disks can't do that; if a bit goes bogey, you're Shucks Outta Luck.
The user guide covers how to determine if ATI is going to make a drive GPT or MBR and you have some control over this.
Thank you for your reply. I believe that because my Operating system is on a SSD - drive it must be formatted GPT. I might clean off my NON GPT drives and format them to GPT..
Bob
Hi,
Seems I've read that if you format a drive in GPT that the entire drive must be GPT, even and partitions?
Is there a printed copy of the user manual for ATI 2014 premium somewhere for sale? I've checked Barnes & Nobel
on-line but don't see one.
Bob
GPT or GUID Partitioning Table (Globally Unique IDentifiers Partitioning Table) is a hard disk partitioning standard. You can't have two different partioning systems on one hard disk, you either divide up the disk one way or the other but not both.
GPT is a more modern, more effective replacement of the older MBR method of handling the layout of hard disks. (Note that GPT includes an MBR section on the disk merely to allow a legacy system that doesn't recognize GPT to access the disk and report that it can not read the partitioning system).
IF you put a GPT disk in a portable and connect it to an XP machine, it will report that the drive is not accessible rather than generating a hardware error and asking to look for drivers (which would be a fruitless search since drivers don't exist for XP--the incluson on an MBR on GPT disk allows legacy systems to punt rather than vainly try to carry the ball down field).
You can get the user guide for Acronis True Image by going to the web site acronis.com; go to Support, go to Documentation, select the appropriate software for which you want the User Guide. It downloads as a PDF.
Scott,
Thanks for your help. I am aware of the download PDF version of the users guide for ATI premium 2014 however, my post asks where to purchase a "Printed Copy", not one I can print myself. Any ideas?
Bob
Acronis doesn't publish it hardcopy, so you could only find it from a copyright violator. There isn't much business in selling illegal copies of user guides. The few I've seen doing it are generally scalpers.
Hi,
Thanks..no NOT Illegal -- I am looking for a LEGAL "How to instruction book" on ATI Prem. 2014.
Bob
Yes. I'm telling you that Acronis doesn't publish hard copy. So you have to print your own. if you want a legit copy. You should be able to take it from there.
Hello Scott,
you're certainly right about that.
GPT disks are supported by Acronis True Image 2014 itself. Dynamic disks support is available only in Acronis True Image 2014 Premium.
More information can be found in following article.
Thank you!
Hi Anna,
In that user guide you linked, I can see it was last edited in late 2013. Would you mind clarifying for me if that ATI 2014 supports cloning of GPT disks? The scenario would be Windows 8.1 - UEFI - GPT partitions. I would be cloning that scenario to a Solid State Drive.
I'd appreciate any clarification.
Cheers! :)
Erdi Kucuk-kose
Here is the extract from that link. The last edit was March 2014 and GPT cloning is NOT supported.
However, as an alternate, you can take a disk option backup and restore that disk opiton backup and the net result is essentially the same as a clone. The GPT boot partitions may or may not be put back in the same sequnece as the original mfg source but will usually boot--or at least accoring to the other postings.
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Link extract:
44348: Acronis True Image 2014: GPT & UEFI Support
Created - August 28, 2013; Updated - March 18, 2014;
Acronis True Image 2014 supports GPT disks and UEFI
This article applies to:
Acronis True Image 2014
Description
Acronis True Image 2014 supports Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) and GUID partition Table (GPT) disks. You can back up and recover partitions, volumes, files and folders on GPT disks.
GPT disks are supported with the following limitations:
Operating system on which Acronis True Image 2014 is installed must support GPT disks
Try&Decide cannot be used to protect GPT disks
Cloning of GPT disks is not supported
(!) GPT disks are supported by Acronis True Image 2014 itself. Dynamic disks support is available only in Acronis True Image 2014 Premium.
(!) 32-bit UEFI devices are supported with limitations
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end of extract.
Hi GroverH, I see - thanks for clarifying.
Could I ask another question please; I suppose I'll then need to resize partitions myself? I was up until now relying on the automatic resizing of the partitions in the Clone procedure. I really am not an expert. My current HDD is 2TB. My new SSD will be 240GB. My C partition is at 900GB. The recovery, EFI, and push button resets are quite small - with the Push Button being @ 20GB.
If you have any experience, would I just need to use something like Acronis Disk Director, resize the C partition, to say, 200GB, and leave the system partitions alone? Once I've done that, I could do a backup in ATI and as you say, restore to the SSD> I wonder is that the correct thing to do.
Thanks
Also, in ATI, it lets me go through the process of the Clone function (I havent'e yet selected finish though hehe) and it doesn't give me a ''GPT not supported'' like for example ''Try and Decide does'' - any thoughts on that one at all ?
The TrueImage Clone procedure is NOT supported on GPT style disks with any version of TrueImage HOme and also NOT supported via the new Disk Director 12 released just recently. The duplicating of GPTs style disk can be "partially"accomplished via the disk backups and restore of that backup onto a new disk.
The GPT boot partitions may or may not be put back in the same sequnece as the original mfg source but will usually boot--or at least accoring to the other postings.
The Recovey of backups procedure does permit the resizing of partitions. Review my signature link #3, item 1 and 2.
This guide shows you how but the guide is NOT based on GPT disks and has not been tested on GPT disks.
I appreciate your time here. That was my final query, and tbh, you've clarified my obscure requests. Cheers! :)
May I also say, the resizing of partitions via the recovery option (now that I'm aware of it) will be my go to choice. I hope the GPT boot partitions are restored in the same order (whatever that might mean, in honesty I am not sure haha) but appreciate you explaining that it might not be with the complexity of GPT recovery onto a different disk.
If I can boot, that is the main thing. Worst case scenario - reinstall Windows on SSD. Build custom refresh Image using recimg command, and make a recovery USB drive. Refresh Windows using that drive to the SSD.
Thanks again for your time.
Read my signature link 3 below, item 1 and 2. My preference would be item 1.
How much used space is on the SSD. Hopefully, less than 200 GB or the restore might balk.
That is a VERY comprehensive guide. I hope Acronis are paying you for that, as it's far more detailed than any Acronis guide than I've found haha. Should I come to use Acronis now for this HDD to SSD migration, I'll probably follow it.
Just to answer your question, the SSD will be delivered in the next few days: It's a 240GB brand new Corsair Neutron GTX. And I guess it wont be partitioned or formatted etc. I was going to leave it there, but just while you're on this thread: If I do use Acronis to restore an image to the SSD, and resize the partitions appropriately so that it fits, and if Windows does boot but it's not in the order you mentioned - what are the negative effects of that, I'd be interested to know.
Final thought, why on earth haven't GPT disks become a compatible standard now with companies offering data solutions...I mean, Windows 8 at the very least has been around for years now. Man.
My post #18 should have referred to the used space on the current disk including the hidden partitions. Hopefully all less then 200
GB.
You can manually size all of the parit9itions when you restore. It is almost always advisable to make a disk backup and then restore instead of trying to clone, simply because there is greater safety and greater flexibility with a backup. This is all covered in the manual. In most cases you want the partitions in the same order as on the original and ATI will default to offering to placing them that way, although you can change the order if you want.
You can use any disk viewer to see the order of the partitions that exists on the current disk--note the names and sizes. Keep the order the same and adjust the main C partition to fit the available space that you want to use.
Thank you, Scott for the very specific advice.
Personally I never would have thought a back up and restore was preferable to a ''clone'', but I'll take your advice.
(PS, definitely not looking for a manual I can purchase haha! :))
Bye guys!
You don't have to purchase the user guide, you only have to rad it. It's helpful for using the program.
There is almost nothing in favor of doing a clone instead of a backup except that it can be faster if nothing goes wrong.
Hi Scott,
Sorry to be blunt, but I wasn't trusting a ''backup and restore'' to a non-OEM native drive, especially in an OEM Win 8.1 environment. Just wasn't happening for reasons I hope you're aware of. I use my PC for work, which has work specific apps of which their installers' exe's are encrypted so I can't reinstall them if everything goes tits up. I'd have to get my work to raise an IT ticket, which would result in me being unpaid, and my reliability assessed that I've somehow lost my apps.
I used a competitors package SIMPLY for the clone procedure, as it was guaranteed to support GPT disks, and was able to create a Win PE UEFI environment on a bootable disk to facilitate a trouble free clone.
I'm still using Acronis for my imaging though! :)
Is Acronis ever going to support the cloning of GPT disks?
I have ATI 2014 Premium and Disk Director 12 running under Windows 8.1 64-bit (OEM).
I hooked up my new 480GB SSD and the it looks like Acronis can't clone the 150GB bootable C: partition of the old 1TB disk drive to the new SSD, because the manufacturer (Asus) set up the 1TB disk as a GPT disk. In fact, most larger disks are GPT these days, due to the additional features/benefits that GPT provides over MBR.
Acronis has licensed a reduced version of the cloning portion of their software to Intel (Intel Data Migration Software), and that conflicts with ATI 2014 and Disk Director 12.
After uninstallation of ATI 2014 Premium and DD 12, I find that the Intel version of software can't clone the 150GB C: to the 480GB SSD; it tries to clone the entire 1TB disk to the SSD, and says there is not enough space. No option to just specify to clone the 150GB C:
I have created a full ATI image (.tib) and am going to try the restore option mentioned above.
We buy all this software to make our lives easier, and there is always some fine print somewhere that prevents us from doing the most basic things easily :(
You can't have more than one version of the disk imaging software installed -- diff brands will tend to conflict with each other too. I have been backing up and restorng GPTs with 2014 since it came out. It might be that the cloning issue is a problme between your hardware and ATI.
I just wanted to report that GPT-disk cloning doesn't work when I use the installed ATI 2014 Premium, but it does work if I use the Clone option when I boot up the PC using the ATI 2014 Premium CD.
N2,
Curious.
Compare the original source disk to the newly cloned disk as you report above. Does the partition structure on the cloned disk match that of the origninal. YOu will probably have to use DisikPart but may be able to see using Windows Disk Management.
This is an example of the partitions not matching in a prior version.
https://forum.acronis.com/system/files/mvp/user285/misc/show-final.jpg
