Really Slow backup of Windows 10
I updated to Windows 10 last week, decided to back my C drive up yesterday, it took all day! I'm using build 6613, only change to my system is Windows 10. I could normally backup my whole system quicker then that under Windows 7.
Bitlocker is turned off and I deleted the windows.old folder, that was 27 gig I did'nt need lol. Hopefully the next update will fix this.
Yes, dont know if it's the same for everyone else but in my case it was the previous backups on the backup list, every time I was doing a backup it was backing up all of the backups on the list, thats why it was taking sooooooooo long, I had set them all to non scheduled in the hope that it would prevent it from happening but it did'nt. The only way I've found so far that works is to do a backup to a drive then remove the backup from the list.
The auto backup system that Acronis have implimented is fine in theory and may even suit some but when it's trying to backup drives or files that are not there it casues problems, if I do a good backup of a good drive today, thats the backup I want to be able to put back on next week or whenever I want it, I dont want it changed in any way. The system Acronis have impilemted at the moment makes that hard to do, plus the Acronis software is running in the background, taking up resorces when it's not being used, the only way I've found of stopping that is to disable the 4 Acronis Services ( There are 4 in Windows 10 and 3 in Windows 7) they are set to Auto in Services, type Services in the search bar to get to them, you then need to reboot, if you do this you will have to re-enable them and reboot before you can do a backup.
It would be nice if Acronis could make this simpler.
This is'nt related to the Acronis issue but it might be of interest to those who are upgrading to windows 10. When you upgrade it changes the permissons on files and folders, it does this without telling you so some applications may have problems writing to those files or folder, you have to change the permissons yourself, this is fine ( for fine read pain in the ass) if you are a geek but if you are just a normal user it's a nightmare. Nice one Microcrap.
Fred's slow backup is is related to choosing Entire PC Backup. Choosing this backs up all of the drives in your PC including the drive you use to store the backups. Better to choose Disks and partitons for more control and the backup times will improve.
This is'nt related to the Acronis issue but it might be of interest to those who are upgrading to windows 10. When you upgrade it changes the permissons on files and folders, it does this without telling you so some applications may have problems writing to those files or folder, you have to change the permissons yourself, this is fine ( for fine read pain in the ass) if you are a geek but if you are just a normal user it's a nightmare. Nice one Microcrap.
This is'nt related to the Acronis issue but it might be of interest to those who are upgrading to windows 10. When you upgrade it changes the permissons on files and folders, it does this without telling you so some applications may have problems writing to those files or folder, you have to change the permissons yourself, this is fine ( for fine read pain in the ass) if you are a geek but if you are just a normal user it's a nightmare. Nice one Microcrap.
Fred, is this a known problem with everyone upgrading or just some? Is this changing permissions true of MS Office files?
Joe
I did'nt choose Entire PC Backup, I customise all my backups by choosing Disks and partitons no matter what drive I'm backing up, I've only used Entire PC Backup once and I've been using Acronis for years. What was happening was that any backups that were on the list on the left hand side of the window, regardless of what drive it was, was put in a que and backed up or tried to back up as some of the backups on the list were old ones and the drives refered to no longer existed, I also changed the schedule settings to non in the hope that that would stop it but it did'nt. I have a friend who also uses Acronis who has had the same problem. Since removing the backup names from the list I no longer have the problem and backup times are very fast.
I will add, that this problem occured on a fresh install of Windows 10, all programs and applications were newly installed with the latest versions.
This is a known issue, someone at Microsoft thought it would be a good idea to improve security, which in theory it is but in practice it's a pain in the ass. There is a saying "if it aint broke dont fix it", Microsoft has a history of breaking stuff that has worked for years. I have heard that it does affect Office files but I've not had that problem myself, what I have had is files and folders on other drives, not drive C, the boot drive, being set to read only which can affect other programs that are trying to write to them.
Below is a link to a site where someone else is having the same problem
http://superuser.com/questions/954688/a-windows-10-fault-with-file-perm…
You can find many more by Googling about. You will also find instuctions on how to fix it, if you dont have a problem with it fine but if you do then you will know how to fix it.
If you are thinking of upgrading to Windows 10 then you should do an upgrade install first as Microsoft no longer issue keys, when you do an upgrade install it registers your machine and automatically authorises Windows as long as you have a proper licenced copy lol. Once it's authorised you can then do a fresh clean install which is recomended. Dont forget to backup any data you have and get copies of the latest video card drivers your machine uses as some of the ones that are downloaded from Microsoft are currupt and can cause issues.
Fred, I have upgraded dozens of systems to Windows 10 without encountering this issue at all and from reading the posts at the links provided above, this seems to be directly related to two specific things: 1. Using a Microsoft Account, and 2. Using OneDrive.
Perhaps my experience with Windows 10 has been relatively trouble free because I refuse to use Microsoft Accounts and I don't use OneDrive.
One answer seems to be to stop OneDrive, reset permissions as needed, then restart OneDrive again.
Another suggests the need to verify your Microsoft Account for the machine where it is being used.
Fred, I have upgraded dozens of systems to Windows 10 without encountering this issue at all and from reading the posts at the links provided above, this seems to be directly related to two specific things: 1. Using a Microsoft Account, and 2. Using OneDrive.
Perhaps my experience with Windows 10 has been relatively trouble free because I refuse to use Microsoft Accounts and I don't use OneDrive.
One answer seems to be to stop OneDrive, reset permissions as needed, then restart OneDrive again.
Another suggests the need to verify your Microsoft Account for the machine where it is being used.
Steve, what the circumstances that would require us to verify the MS Account? If I have a MS account on my Win 8.1 machine and upgrade to W10, will I have to do this or should/does it happen automatically?
Joe
Joe, I am no expert when it comes to MS Accounts as don't like or use them, but see link below for others who have had problems where this was a solution, even if is for a different issue!
Joe, I am no expert when it comes to MS Accounts as don't like or use them, but see link below for others who have had problems where this was a solution, even if is for a different issue!
for anyone wanting to turn off/disable One Drive, check out: https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Turn-off-or-uninstall-OneDrive-f32a17ce-3336-40fe-9c38-6efb09f944b0
Joe
Hi Steve. This slow backup speed could be due to not installing the chipset drivers and the proper drivers in windows. Windows does a good job when it comes to finding drivers but the generic drivers that it often installs arnt tweeked to get the best performance like the manufacturers drivers. Most people dont install the chipset drivers, most people dont even know what they are and I dont think most people would notice the downgrade in performance until they use a drive intensive application like Acronis.
I dont use One drive, deleted it from my machine and dont use a Microsoft account either, I setup all upgrade machines to a local account. The permissions thing with windows 10 is down to Microsoft, someone thought it would be a good idea to improve security, years ago when someone came up with an idea like that they would have been kicked out but now the idea gets implemented and they probably got a bonus. Thats progress for you.
I have loads of USB external drives that I used with windows 7, after upgrading to windows 10 I found that some of the folders have had their permissions changed, it's a known issue, Microsoft admit to making the change but I dont know why it does it in such a haphazard way, some it will change to read only, some it will change the owner sometimes it dont do it at all.
The only things it does do is make more work, more headaches and more money for people like us lol.
My slow speed problem was caused by Acronis scanning for tib files and adding them to the list and all the backups in the list were put in a que so everytime I did a backup it backed up the whole lot. I couldnt find a simple way of stopping it so I simply removed the backups from the list, job sorted.
hmmmm.... this problem with Acronis and MS makes me wonder- how well does Acronis work with Mac computers? I'll have to check out that section of this forum, assuming there is a Mac section. I've been tempted for years to move my computing to a Mac- what with all the complications of getting everything to work in the PC world and of course the endless upgrade problems/complications. I'm sure there are problems with Macs too, but I bet not as many since that world is more under the tight control of Apple.
Joe