Strange booting from image on slaved drive situation?

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HI, I have a wierd inquiry that I am sure someone in here has run across before. My computer in the cellar had been acting up on me, so I cloned the image to my second hard drive (slave), just in case, like someone in here directed me to awhile back. Now, my cellar has been quite damp and I went down yesterday to clean it up and boot my secondary studio computer. Well, it wouldn't boot up, so I found out the master drive, a WD 200 gb one, was dying. So, I kept trying to get it to work and found out that the sata input area on the motherboard was broken, this is for the primary master disk one, the other one works fine and also found out it really can't be fixed or it would be too costly.

Now, for your help. How can I boot from the image on the second WD hard drive (500gb), which can ONLY BE INPUT ON THE SECONDARY SATA are on the motherboard ( I capped the last phrase as this is super important). In other words, can this be done, either from boot drive configurations or from another scenario. I already tried a few things, but no dice, so will await your expertise. Thanks for listening, hope you can assist me, DR

Sun, 07/26/2015 - 00:06
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Hi Derrick,
Welcome to the forums. My answer is relying your correct use of back up terminology and the steps you've performed previously.

When you clone a disk, it makes an identical bootable image of the disk. You don't perform this operation and leave the target disk in your PC for a "rainy day". The source disk (drive you cloned from is removed and the target disk you cloned to) is put into its place.

Hopefully what you did was create a full disk image back up of your boot drive and saved it to your second "data" disk. If this is the case, then you can typically replaced the failed drive and recover the back up image to a new disk.

There are some caveats because of your situation. Failing or failed SATA port on your MB, failing or failed primary disk. If you only have 2 SATA connections and one doesn't work, you are going to need a method for restoring the back up to a new disk. A SATA to USB adapter is a good inexpensive solution. Your failed disk however, is not so easy. When you image a disk, the integrity of your data matters. Backing up from a drive that is failing or if you are using a faulty interface, what gets backed up or copied may not be valid, good or even readable. You can't be sure unless you validated the archive (back up image) after it was created. Hopefully yours is complete and readable.

On the off chance that you did clone the drive, and it has not been rendered non-bootable because you left it in your PC after cloning with the source disk attached (which is outlined in the disk cloning instructions ... You can try the following. Power off the PC, disconnect from power. Open the case. Remove the failed disk. Confirm the STA port your "good" disk is connected to. If you only have two ports, then you know which it is. Close case, reconnect power. Start the system and enter BIOS (setup). I can't tell you what key does this as each manufacturer is different. (Del, F1, F2, F10, F12). Confirm the drive appears under Hard Disks. Now navigate to Boot Order Options. Ensure the disk you want to start the system from appears in the Boot Order as first boot device, or second after your CD/DVD Rom. Then press F10 to save and exit BIOS. The system will restart. If the disk is truly a clone of your failed boot drive and it was not changed by you leaving it connected after cloning, the system should start.

Obviously if you have more than 2 SATA ports, you won't need an adapter. Just a new disk to restore you back up to. Sort of counting on you here to confirm what operation was actually performed previously.

We are here if you have any questions.

Thanks

Sun, 07/26/2015 - 14:37
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Hi, thanks for the valued assistance. The SATA port that broke was the Master one, so I can only use the Slave one, but everyone tells me that it doesn't matter, but from my experience it does. Also, how can the computer recognize the tib image on the slave drive where it was stored, By your post, you say that it should boot up from it, but doesn't the tib image have to be restored first. I guess I am not understanding how the restoration process works. To make matters a bit worse, my ATI says that the drive is a dynamic one, and I know it isn't from checking into it with a tech guy who lives around the corner.

So, how can I make this WD 500gb bootable....does the tib file need to be restored or is there a workaround. I have read a lot of threads on this and other forums the past day and it seems that the bootable ATI Cd is the one creating the snag. Anyway, since my situation is so unique will make a small text diagram below. DR

WD drive (200 gb) that failed >>>>>>>>>>WD drive (500gb) that was used to store tib file image.
On master drive setting but SATA port broke>> on slave drive setting, definitely not dynamic

I tried that bios ordering thing but it surely doesn't boot from the drive. There must be a way for the computer to recognize the hard drive or for ATI boot disk to allow me to restore it but it will not allow me that courtesy, Hope we can resolve this, appreciate any assistance, DR

Sun, 07/26/2015 - 15:30
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Hi Derrick,
Based on you telling us the "slave" disk contains a .tib image... that's lets us know that you performed a back up of the primary disk, not a clone.

You cannot boot from a .tib (true image backup) image. The back up image has to be restored to a new drive.

Since you only have two ports and one is bad, you will need another interface to connect a disk to. SATA to USB. Here's a good one - Toaster - Can be used with other systems, and both 2.5 and 3.5 in drives... so a good inexpensive investment.

http://www.amazon.com/iDsonix%C2%AE-SuperSpeed-Docking-Station-Design/d…

You see where this is going now? You need a new disk and "toaster". You can connect the new disk to any working SATA port on the MB, doesn't matter (primary, secondary or other) as long as its working. Your BIOS settings tell the system which device to look at to start from.

Put your "slave" disk that contains your .tib image in the toaster and connect it to a USB port. Now start you system from Acronis boot media and restore the image from the "slave" in the toaster to the new disk connected to SATA 2 on the MB. Now you can use the toaster to keep your slave drive connected to the PC and continue using it for data storage. You can also move that drive elsewhere and copy files to and from other systems if you wish.

Sun, 07/26/2015 - 16:20
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Well, that sounds complicated. Why can't I just restore the tib file to the same slave drive. In other words, I just want to use this hard drive for my cellar computer. You mean, the tib file can't be restored inside the same hard drive, wow, that is unbelievable. I sense you know what I am trying to do, using ATI Home 11 and ATI Home Plus Pack, which now recognizes the hard drive, not sure why it didn't before. Anyway, from the recovery procedure it said something like you are trying to restore to the same partition.....can't I restore it inside the hard drive somehow. Will stop and await any more wisdom, appreciate the help, Derrick

Sun, 07/26/2015 - 18:44
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Derrick,
Its not safe or good practice to save back ups to the same disk you are trying to protect. Had you done this, you wouldn't have an image to restore with now due to your disk failure. One way or another, you need to restore the back up image to a new or replacement disk. The option I recommended above is safest. I'd like to caution you again that storing back up images to the same drive you are trying to protect is NOT recommended. If the disk fails, you lose everything. Conversely, if you make a mistake during the restore, modifying the disk... you've lost everything. My recommendation above protects your data and allows you to restore safely.

You've asked the right questions and I've given you some options. but mine are not going to involve putting your data at risk. If your back up is a full disk image (the entire disk and ALL partitions) I've given you the best (safest) way to proceed and recover your system.

Sun, 07/26/2015 - 22:58
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