Acronis true image 2015 problem with backing up useing incremental settings
I have acronis true image 2015 for 3 pc’s
For the automatic backing up I have setup the following
Backup Scheme set to – Custom Scheme
Backup Method set to – Incremental
Create a full version after every 5 incremental versions
Store no more than 2 recent version chains
Do not delete the first version of the backup
The 1st backup with theses settings was done on 7/4/2015 and the size is 19.8GB
The 2nd backup with theses settings was done 23/04/2015 and the size is 19.7GB
So I think the software as done a full back up again I have had this problem once before and when I last chatted to the phone support team they remotely controlled my computer and said it’s because I had windows defragged turn on so that is completely turned off now
The only other thing is when a file gets deleted I run some software what wipes the free hard drive space what is left behind after deleting the files so I don’t know if it’s that all some think else as I have a couple of programs installed on my computer what can clean things up what are
In my webroot secure anywhere complete that as a utility to clean my computer
Then I use a program called AVG PC Tuneup2015 what as clean tools in
Then Advanced Uninstaller PRO 11 what as clean tools in
Then Advanced Disk Cleaner what as clean tools in
Then finally part of acronis true image 2015 a program called system clean-up
So I need to know why the Incremental backups are not working from Neil
Well i dont delete any of the backups myself and i have just checked the files out and they are
Samsung SSD 850 PRO 256GB_full_b1_s1_v1
Samsung SSD 850 PRO 256GB_full_b2_s1_v1
and them are the files i put above in 1st comment about the sizes so i was thinking am i getting the problem with the backups because both options in the backup settings are not the same as like i said above the settings i use on the backup options are
Backup Scheme set to – Custom Scheme
Backup Method set to – Incremental
so to use incremental so it only makes 1 full backup and then makes little backups after that for any changes made to the pc then does both backups options in list need to be set to incremental or not
And do you work for acronis or are you another person who uses the software from Neil
No, I am not associated in any manner with Acronis. I am another user attempting to help another who has asked the forum for assistance.
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Review my posting #1 several times. The posting illustrates what you can expect with your stated configuration.
The two full backups Full B1 and Full B2 are as expected. There is nothing wrong with your settings--they will function as illustrated
After Full B2, your next 5 backups will be the really small incrementals which contain only the changes from each backup.
Then on backup #8, the B3Full will begin followed by 5 small incremental's, followed by another Full.
If you were to change or create a new task which would be one full plus endless incremental's, that would not be a good ideas.
Bad because your disk would fill up (no deletions), and bad because if one of incremental's were to become corrupt due to a bad disk read/write, then none of the newer inc would have any value or use. My suggestion is to make no change to this specific task and let it do its own thing--as you have it currently configured.
Very importantly, is to make sure your selection for the type of backup is one that includes all partitions, such as the type "Entire PC"
48404: Acronis True Image 2015: Creating an Entire PC Backup.
Also, that you test your user created Recovery CD and restore a couple files from one of your backups onto a test folder on your main Computer.
You need to know that your backup can be seen or accessed and that a restore is possible.
Thank you for getting back to me the information you have gave me is great alot better than the staff at acronis
as i was asking them about the settings i use what are
Backup Scheme set to – Custom Scheme
Backup Method set to – Incremental
And i asked them because the second backup is a full one is there somethink wrong all does both options above need to be on
Incremental and they said dont know and they said i need to pay for support so i said no just so they can remotely control my pc to see the problem
But from what your telling me is my settings above in this comment is fine ?
And its normal for the software on settings to make 2 full backups 1st before makeing the incremental ones right ?
From Neil
Neil,
Please reread my posting #1. I can only repeat again what I explained there.
In yolur original posting, you wrote this setting as being enabled or checked.
"Do not delete the first version of the backup"
With this setting checked, that setting is telling the program to create an extra full backup and to keep it without deleting it. Ths setting is what is causing the extra full. This is an optional setting and it being checkedd does not make it right or wrong as it is optional. Some users want the firtt full kept (I believe to be a good idea) and others do not, so with this option checked, then yes, two first two full (FULL B1 & fULL B2) backups is normal. The incrementals will be the performed after the first two FULLS. The next FULL (Full B3) will not be performed until after Inc B2_S6 is completed--as illustrated in my first posting.
Thank you for the info i understand how it works now thanks i just fort by selecting
Do not delete the first version of the backup
I fort that option was just for the 1st file the software makes what is the full backup of the system
So does this mean that the 2 full backups i now have wont ever get deleted as i didnt really want 2 full backups only 1
From Neil
So does this mean that the 2 full backups i now have wont ever get deleted as i didnt really want 2 full backups only 1
Neil,
Please reread my posting #1. I can only repeat again what I explained there.
"excerpt"
Do not delete the first version of the backup tells the program for the first backup run to be a Full backup only and it is NOT to be deleted by the program. Deletion, if wanted is a user responsibility. This will be named Full-B1 S1 V1 and will have no other backups numbered in B1.
"excerpt"
AFTER FULL B4 is successfully created, your quota will have then been exceeded and the program will perform an automatic cleanup
and delete the 6 files of chain B2, including Full B2, leaving you
..Full B1 which is not involved
..6 files of B3
..Full only of B4
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So in response to your question in post '#6, my posting in post 1 indicates that Full B1 will require manual deletion by the user (if deletion desired)
and Full B2 (and 6 files of B2 )will be automatically deleted by the progam once the Full B4 has been created because user retention quota (store 2 recent chains) will have been reached due to Full B4 being created. After each future Full, the oldest chain of 6 files will be automatifcally deleted so you will never have more than the permanent Full B1 plus the 2 most recent chains of 6 filels per chain. You should never have more than 13 tib files based on this specific chain. One mistake often made is being in too big a hurry to delete their backups.
ok thats great so for what i want for changes to be backed up after changes been made i have the best settings in program would you say as i did'nt know if to have both options on Incremental as at the moment i have both as
Backup Scheme set to – Custom Scheme
Backup Method set to – Incremental
The settings used for your choice of incremental type backup is correct for the settings but your choice of incremental backups is not your best or safest choice for the backup type. Your best choice would be a FULL only, or a choice better than incremental would be the differential type backup.
Why incremental is not your best choice is that if one of your incremental backups is not readable on the disk, then all your other incremental backups are useless and non-recoverable. You want your backup to protect your data and if one file is not readable, that does not offer much protection as the data not accessable on the one file is not stored in any of the other incremental files.
Why the differential backup is a better choice is that each differential is a duplicate of the preceding day plus the new changes from that day as well.
So each differential is bigger than the preceding day as it has the preceding changes plus the new changes. Each new differential contains ALL preceding changes that has occurred up to that point.
GH25. Understanding differences between Inc and Dif for Safety
The configuration settings for the differential is the same as the incremental except the custom/differential type is chosen. My comments in post #1 would apply the same way if the type were custom/differential.
thank you for info as all i want the program to do is make 1 full backup and then others little backups only if changes are made
like the other week the incremental backup got deleted and i moved a backed over from a ext drive what was a 1st full backup and that was correpted so i couldnt use it so if i use theres settings below it will do what i need better am i right from Neil
Backup Scheme set to – Custom Scheme
Backup Method set to – differential
You need these additional settings from your first posting. Cleanup settings highly recommended to avoid disk full error messages and force more frequent full backups. These cleanup settings force a full backup every 7 backup.
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Backup Scheme set to – Custom Scheme
Backup Method set to – differential
Create a full version after every 5 differential versions
Store no more than 2 recent version chains
ok so for what i want differential is the best option to go for and was acronis right defrager needs to be turned off