What is the difference between ATIH 10.0 and ATIH 11.0?
What is the difference between ATIH 10.0 and ATIH 11.0? On the Acronis site is there a comprehensive table identifying the differences? Is version 11.0 a more, or the most recent version?
The reason I ask is that I see many references to 10.0 but very little relating to version 11.0? I wish to clarify this prior to downloading an update for my purchased version 11.
TIA
Graham
GroverH - thank you for your reply.
I bought Acronis True Image Home v 11.0 in December 2009. I had been making manual backups. I now want to make scheduled backups which is what the Acronis True Image Home v 11.0 states it can do. However presently it does not. I was therefore wanting to find a solution to this issue and use Acronis True Image Home v 11.0 as it states.
What you have told me about versions, and that they are now versions "2010" I accept. I do not have this version and was not intending to purchase it either. I was wanting to make use of the scheduling options that are present in Acronis True Image Home v 11.0 which I did purchase.
Are you implying that although Acronis True Image Home v 11.0 states I can make scheduled tasks that that is now not possible and that I should rather now purchase the alternative, later version "2010"?
It would therefore appear I have s/w that will not execute a scheduled task and that there is no fix for it other than purchasing the latest version "2010"?
Please advise?
TIA
Graham
TI11 like versions before and versions after is supposed to handle scheduling. Over the years and versions, there have been various problems with scheduling.
I would download the latest build of TI11 and try it. If it doesn't work then post again, on a new thread so the problem is more obvious in the title with detailed info on what exactly is going wrong, OS, error msgs, etc.
Graham,
Absolutely, v11 has the scheduling option. I did not mean to imply that it didn't. I was not sure what your plans or problems were from the first post so my response was general in nature.
If you are happy with v11 and it suits your needs, by all means use it and an upgrade to 2010 is not necessary--if v11 fills your needs. There are many satisfied users of prior versions that do not upgrade--unless their hardware demands it.
Before you move to v11, I would suggest that you perform a full disk backup with the version of TrueImage that you currently have installed.
http://forum.acronis.com/sites/default/files/forum/2010/01/7523/backup_…
Having such a backup provides you with restore capabilities if things should go wrong. Also, take your existing Rescue Cd and write the version, build and serial number on the CD and keep it for possible future need. This is advice I would give no matter which version you are upgrading to.
After you get v11 installed, you will want to build a new Rescue CD and also record the new information on it as well.
You will need to do an uninstall of v10 before installing v11. The v11 download is a self contained install. It is always a good practice to stop any virus programs, etc before installing any new program.
GroveH thank you for your response
"Before you move to v11, " - I am not moving to V11 I have V11 already installed.
Yes it would fit my requirements, but at present it is not executing the scheduled backup task.
I am getting this error:
"Result: Completed with errors"
and the log says:
Information 21:00:03 Information 100: "The New task backup starts
Warning 21:00:04 Priority changed to Low priority
Error 21:00:04 Operation has completed with errors.
So within 4 seconds the task has gone from Start to Completed with errors. Is this correct? Has the Task been successfully executed?
The proof for me is that I do not see a "MyBackup5.tib" for today.
Please advise
Graham
Are you scheduling a data backup (files and folders) or is it an image backup?
Full or incremental?
Where is the archive being stored?
I'd run chkdsk X: /r on the partition containing the files being backed up in case there is a problem with the structure. Replace the X with the drive letter of the partition being tested. Even though it may not be obvious in Windows, TI may not be happy with a problem and it is good to rule out this as a cause.
Are you scheduling a data backup (files and folders) - No, I have chosen "My Computer" and then "System State".
is it an image backup? - I've ask ATIH v11.0 to do the following by utilizing the "Schedule Wizard":
1] My Computer
next
2] System State
next
3] "Backup Archive Location" - I have chosen "U:\MyBackup.tib" this was the original backup file.
next
4] "Select Backup Mode" - I have chosen "Create an incremental backup"
next
5] "Archive Protection" - I decided not to enter a password.
next
6] "Set your backup options . . . . " - I have chosen nothing here.
next . . .
7] "Archive Comments"- no comments added by me
next
8] "Task Running Schedule" - Daily
next
9] "Time" - 9:00pm - and everyday
next
10] No password entered
next
11] This page allows me to add the task. Done
As I have said, when the time comes I get this 4 second operation and then ATIH ver 11.0 fails to produce an Incremental and I have to make a Manual version instead.
Returning to your questions:
"Full or incremental? " - As above, Incremental
"Where is the archive being stored?" - As above, U: drive
GroverH thank you for your interest in this.
Am I doing something incorrectly?
Please advise.
Graham
Graham,
First I suggest deleting the current task and remake it, the scheduler sometimes gets confused.
Second check in Windows task manager that scheduler2 and schedhlp are running - these should be automatic startups when you boot Windows. By the way which version of Windows and what build of TI11 are you using?
Third I'd give the image an actual name, this way it's easier to track within various TI script files.
Has it ever made an initial image or did it make a full and subsequently refuse to make incrementals?
The error message is standard even when a task succeeds, it's not an error but an info message.
Was this TI11 installation an upgrade over TI10?
Has it ever worked?
When you perform a manual task, does it work?
I'll have to hunt down the manual for v11, but I'm not sure if the System State was ever designed to be used for incremental imaging.
Try a normal disk or file based image see if the scheduler works on those. We need to find out if the scheduler works at all or not at all.
Colin, thank you for your response. At this point in time I am very seriously considering delete everything on my U: drive and starting over - period.
Is there any advantage in attempting to put "right" that which is not working for scheduling?
OK, and to answer your questions here goes:-
"By the way which version of Windows and what build of TI11 are you using?" - XP Pro and Build 8,053 of ATIH ver 11.
"Has it ever made an initial image or did it make a full and subsequently refuse to make incrementals?" I have a backup file called "MyBackup.tib" and subsequent manual incrementals up to "MyBackup5.tib" - but as I keep saying I have had to do these manually.
"The error message is standard even when a task succeeds, it's not an error but an info message." - Understood, thank you - that's reassuring.
"Was this TI11 installation an upgrade over TI10?" - No. ATIH ver 11.0 was the first ever s/w I have had from ACRONIS. I got this back in December 09.
"Has it ever worked?" - I believe I have answered this? But yes as far as I can tell I have at least 5 backup files. I also did my initial BOOTup disc and have this on a DVD.
"When you perform a manual task, does it work?" - I believe I have answered this? And as far as I can tell I have at least 5 backup files. I also did my initial BOOTup disc and have this on a DVD.
" . . but I'm not sure if the System State was ever designed to be used for incremental imaging." - Oh really?! - Then why is this an option when I setup the incremental Task?
"Try a normal disk or file based image see if the scheduler works on those." What are you calling a normal disk or file based image , I chose Incremental because it will take up far less disc space. Or have I misunderstood the meaning of these terms?
"We need to find out if the scheduler works at all or not at all." - And whether I can do a System State using this Task. I wouldn't be able to ascertain this myself.
Presently I would like to be/feel confident that ACRONIS would be able to perform a restore under the circumstances I would be needing it. Unfortunately, as I am sure you realise, the only copper-bottomed way to tests this would be to do a Restore, and if that should NOT work then I would be left high and dry.
Colin, thanks for your patience with these matters.
Graham
Colin, further information about Task Manager
1- Schedul2 IS appearing in TM
2- schedhlp is NOT appearing.
- g
Graham,
Thanks for the answers. I just needed to make sure we were using the same terms and meaning the same things by them.
When I mentioned 'normal disk etc..." what I meant by that was ticking a complete disk or partition rather than selecting the system state option. However, the fact you don't see schedhlp.exe running is almost certainly why your schedules are not working.
Open up Service.msc (Windows button +r, type in ' services.msc ' without the quote marks in the run box press enter) and see if you have a schedhlp or scheduler2 service running. If either one exists check that they are set to automatic and running, also check that RPC is set to automatic and running.
Then open up msConfig, (Win button +r 'msconfig') make sure under the startup tab the Acronis Scheduler Helper is ticked.
IF all that checks out OK, and schedules still don't run automatically, then you next step is to try updating the scheduler.
Follow the instructions here download the updated utility, if that doesn't work then follow the rest of the instructions on the page.
Colin,
I appear to have a different email notification message than your one posted here. You asked where I purchased ACRONIS.
I have now located the period during which I purchased ACRONIS Ver 11.0 . And, as a result of your astute questioning I did some further research. I bought ACRONIS True Image Home ver 11 not last year - but back in Dec 2007! I had forgotten I had left it on my pc since then, and had been using the straight MS Backup option instead. It was not until I had got myself a SNAP Internal Drive SATA caddie, last December, that I had revisited the option for using ACRONIS as a preferred backup option, and looked forward to scheduling the backups!
So, I do have an old ver, and I am guessing this would also fit in with the iterations that would have been available from ACRONIS at that time - My apologies.
OK, I can guess your reply, but should I EITHER download any new ver11 updates, delete any backups I have on my U: drive and start over? OR should I initially just carry on, delete the backups and attempt to do the backups with the existing 2007 purchase?
As to the RUN reveals, I have neither schedhlp nor scheduler2 running. But scheduler2 is revealed in Task Manager. How is this possible?
NB: OK, I have now revealed the Startup and schedhlp was not CHECKED (good! - getting somewhere here!), but there is also another ACRONIS unchecked Startup item: TimounterMonitor . I have now checked that too.
So two things I have added to my ACRONIS education, as a result of your assistance:
1] The age of my ver 11.0 and where it fits in to the ACRONIS iterations.
2] The need to have had STARTUP activating my Scheduled Tasks.
Both of these outcomes I now know why they exist on this pc. I do Video Editing as a job and was having issues around being "stuck" and went ahead and, sledgehammer-like, deactivated everything that I thought was possibly causing issues. In this case, and pertinent to my actions for ACRONIS, it would have been the deactivation of those two ACRONIS items.
Although I have to test out all that I have learnt - thanks everybody! - would you think that your advice will suffice?
TIA
Graham
Graham, can I ask if there is any specific reason you have for performing a system state backup? - these are similar to creating a Windows restore point and restoring one of those can lead to the Registry and other files being out of sync with the rest of the system, depending on what operations have been carried out since the sys state backup was done.
It is better to restore from a full (+ inrementals or differentials if need be) backups. I turn off Windows system restore (XP) and never do system state backups - simply see no use for them for me.
I agree with bin. I always do full backups and would consider doing an incremental or two on a full but I never bother with what I see as "part measures" like system state. When you have an image you have it all. However, I do have Windows System Restore set to about a GB maximum, not the default, so I can have a restore point or so just in case something like an update is suspect.
Graham, can I ask if there is any specific reason you have for performing a system state backup? - Sure. I read the Wizard and it said they would be smaller.
" . . these are similar to creating a Windows restore point " Well, the Wizard did NOT tell me that! In which case I'll do something else instead.
Your solution? Does that mean I do a backup of my C: drive - 150TBs and then what? Incrementals that would add what typical size? Sure, this IS dependant on the activity . . but what would it add for yourself? 5%, 10% . . 50%?
"depending on what operations have been carried out since the sys state backup was done. " I think I understand?
"It is better to restore from a full (+ inrementals or differentials if need be) backups." - This would seem to be the way forward fro me too. So just to naiil it for me what do YOU do? What is your choice recipe?
"I turn off Windows system restore (XP) and never do system state backups - simply see no use for them for me." - Well that's seems very clear to me!
I'm testing ACRONIS scheduler to see if it "kicks-in" . . 15:10pm to do its thing!
Scheduler started at 3:10pm and promptly stopped at 3:10:08.
Getting the same.
What now?
Graham
"State" wouldn't Schedule. But a straighforward "Data" has done the job - up to 16% and still rolling along.
This would seem the way forward for me now. Depending on the resultant sizes of this incremental data thing I'm going to stick with it.
Do I need to do another GetDataBack rescue disk? Should I delete the previous backup "MyBackup.tib" files (there are now 5) I have, and start over with a fresh BACKUP and do NEW incrementals?
27% and still rolling. . . . .
My original Backup was 116TBs. The incrementals shouldn't be anything like that - hey?
Graham
Acronis system state backup:
"You can backup either disks and partitions or the system state that comprises the boot files, registry, protected Windows files, and COM+ CLASS registration database. Backing up the System state allows you to restore the system files, drivers, etc., but not the data files and folders you use in your work. To be able to restore the data files and folders, select the Disks and partitions. If such is the case, select disks or partitions to back up. You can select a random set of disks and partitions."
I would certainly concur with the remarks made in the last postings by bin and seekforever. I never perform a System State backup because it is redundant coverage and is incomplete. Note the explanation about System State from the manual as to what is covered..
Most of the forum contributors here want TrueImage Home to restore their computers in case of disk failure or viruses or failed testing of some software. In order to plan for that type recovery, they will perform a full "disk" option backup which includes a backup of all their partitions--both hidden or diagnostic; or they will perform regular backups of each individual partition but usually maintain a least one full "disk" copy backups. Having a full "disk" option backup enables them to recover to the same computer no matter what happens to their disk or software. A "disk" option backup is the only type backup which includes the disk signature--which may be needed by some software to function after a recovery. All the data copied by a system state backup is already included in the disk or partition backup so their is little need for a separate system state backup.
Incremental or differential backups can be scheduled as part of the original full backup task. You cannot add/change options once your task is scheduled. If changes or additions to the task are needed, it is better to create a new task. If you right click on a task name, some TI versions provide some degree of task changes such as rename or change of schedule but use of the edit function causes grief.
If you want to know more about how other users use TIH, I invite you to read item 12 inside my signature index below. Likewise, my guides listed on line 7A & 7B & 7H of my index, plus item 2 can be very helpful. For the new user of TrueImage, many of the items listed in the index can assist in reducing their learning curve.
GroverH - many thanks for those links.
I have glanced through them and I realise just how much I could gain by purposefully reading in depth. Thank you.
What I am realising too is that different situs/demands require an immense amount of variation of ACRONIS utilization. I will be wanting one set of paradigms in my backing up, while others, you will want another set of workflows. I am fortunate enough in having a Video colleague who uses ACRONIS and also does much s/w development - I thin it is about time I now pick his brains and have a chat about a solution that would fit my requirements.
Might I just say a big thank you to all that assisted me thus far. I'm not often scared about using "new" or getting acquainted with s/w - backup s/w is NOT to be taken lightly! And again, you guys have done well in helping me to demystify it for me: Why use State? Understand the layers of generations of backup ( I knew that one!) . .
Cheers
Graham
Good luck with your learning experiences. Remember, backups are only half the battle.
You must test your plans for recovery by actually performing some of the tests. Best that you get a spare hard drive and do restores to that test disk to be sure that every works as expected. The time to test is before there is a crisis or an actual need.