ATI 2010 / SSD / Try and Decide /
Hello.
I want to ask you some questions about ATI 2010 / SSD compatibility / Try and Decide option
My OS is Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit. I have a new SSD, OCZ Vertex2 and 2 more HDD's
The SSD is for the C partition, and the other 2 HDD's are only for storage. When i used to have C on HDD, i never had problems with the option Try and Decide, but now, with the SSD as OS partition, almost everytime when i test a program, i enable Try and Decide and can test whatever i want, with no fear of viruses or whatever.
But after i reboot, i have there 2 options : Continue in the Mode and Stop and Discard changes ( something like that )
When i press Stop and Discard changes,Windows starts up, etc .... Mozilla Firefox 5, my default browser is messed up.
A lot of changes / options / settings from Mozilla, are up side down. I don't understand how comes, but it's true.
Every other programs / settings are okay after i use Try and Decide, except Mozilla Firefox.
I never used System Restore from Windows 7, and i don't wanna use it. I wish i could restore my backup image, often, but i heard is not recommended for SSD ( life time - shorter, etc )
I mention that i didn't created the Acronis Secure Zone. Could that be the reason ?
But when i used the HDD as C partition, some time before, i didnt have those problems, without having the Acronis Secure Zone.
Could be, maybe, some compatibility between ATI Home 2010 and SSD ?
Please give me some tips, i really need / like / use a lot / Acronis, i don't wanna change this program
Thanks in advance.
Eduard L
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Thanks for helping me.
You said " You can consider doing a secure erase of your disk from time to time before a restore to restore factory performance"
Isn't that harmful for the SSD ? What do you mean with " from time to time " ? Every 2-3 months ? More ? Less ?
I was adviced by someone, same as you said. To do an erase secure, using Parted Magic.
My SSD is about 5 days old :) I run the SSD Lifetime program and, as you can see in the picture, it's more than okay. But, hold on :)
If i'd run this program after 2 years, i' pretty sure, there will be " estimated lifetime - 1 year "
So many people say that over the internet are so many SSD myths, but the reallity is, the SSD's keep much longer, and they are more lasting.
I think i'll give a try with Parted Magic.
The only reason for doing that is to reset the SSD an wipe all the NAND flash cells. But i still wait for more advices.
After i erase the C drive - the entire SSD, who "allocate" the new partition, before i do the recovery with Acronis Rescue CD ?
One friend of mine, few months ago, deleted ( by mistake, i don't know how ) the C partition. He tried to recover with Acronis Rescue Media CD, the backup image but he couldn't.
He called me, and i went to him. I didn't know what's going on. Acronis Rescue Media CD reported "errors" after i tried to restore the disc image.
I said "let's" install C again ( Windows 7 - fresh install )
After i booted from DVD Win 7, i came to the part where you choice where to install Windows.
There was like that : C - unallocated partition, and D / E / as secondary partitions.
I allocated the amount of MB for C, and i didn't press NEXT, to continue installing. C was allocated, only no OS on it.Just rebooted again, rejected the Win 7 DVD, inserted Acronis Rescue Media CD, and ...i was able to restore the backup
That's the part i don't understand if i'd use Parted Magic. After i secure erase C partition, there will be "unallocated C space" and with some tool ( windows 7 DVD / Parted Magic or whatever ) i'll have to allocate the amount MB partition.
PS : My SSD is only the C partition and system reserved 100 MB. That's my entire SSD.
Do i have to backup up ( check ) the system reserved, too, when i do the backup ??
Thanks again.
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Eduard,
You don't need to secure erase that often. For somebody using its machine as a technical workstation that is performance sensitive, I would say once a year. Parted magic is the rereference tool to do secure ATA erase.
You don't need to partition the disk before a restore with ATI. Before ATI restore any partition, it will create/erase it then apply the data. Of course this is not true if the backup is *not* a disk and partition backup.
Yes you have to backup the system reserved partition. You don't have to restore it every time your restore C:, but you would on a secure-erased SSD. I restore it everytime anyway.
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Okay, Pat L.
But i still don't understand why do i have problems with Acronis True Image Home 2010 - Try and Decide.
Today i tested something else. After Try and Decide was ON, I uninstalled Avira Antivir and installed NOD 32 Trial. But after i restarted the PC i selected
Discard changes. Actually, everything should be like before i started Try and Decide, but my Avira Antivirus couldn't open at all, only errors, etc
So i recovered the backup image.
I cannot understand why is that happent. With my HDD, when i used as OS partition, i never had those problems.
Can someone understand what's goin' on ? Some explanations ? Could be some incompatibility between SSD's and Acronis ?
I have installed the same Acronis, same Windows, and all the programs, drivers, settings.
Maybe because of AHCI ? Before with the HDD i used IDE.
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I don't know the answer to your question.My guess is that the Antivirus is using some protection mechanism and integrity checks that interferes with the try&decide. I had similar problems with Norton 360. After using T&D, Norton wouldn't stay activated.
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Okay, it might be, but before when i used HDD as the C partition, i didn't have this problems.
I guess there is something between Acronis and my SSD, a different technology as the HDD's.
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You are right that the SSD has different technology, but for the computer, it is just a different disk, with a different driver. The controller inside the SSD is making all the magic happen and ATI doesn't see that.
There can be a range of other reasons why a problem would appear now and not before: different MS updates, other updates from other software (anti-virus, other software sharing redistributable with ATI), etc.
You know, T&D with 2010 is not really baked. It is better with 2011, in particular in cases where you have to reboot while trying. Even with ATI 2011, you are much better off doing a backup before you try something.
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I think i'll never use T&D anymore.
Anyway, i always have a backup of my SSD - C partition. Maybe ATI will fix this issue with the next version ( 2012 ? )
But is very strange, i tried some others similar software ( free trial ) like T&D and is the same problem.
I was thinking about to install Intel RST drivers for the SSD, instead of msahci - default Microsoft driver ( sorry if i'm wrong. i'm not an computer expert )
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Make sure you backup the system reserved partition, if you have one.
Verify your SSD is aligned (the offset of the first partition should be evenly divisible by 4096, when expressed in bytes).
No need to change the drivers. Win7 knows how to recognize SSDs (superfetch is off, defragmentation is off, etc...)
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I did backup the system reserved partition, too.
I don't know how to verify if the SSD is aligned. As you can see in the image, it's 103424 K - OK
Shouldn't be 1024 - OK ?
I leaved Superfetch on, applications are starting faster.
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You can turn superfetch off and leave prefetch. Superfetch is turn off by default by Win7 when you install it on a SSD.
Launch msinfo32 (type it in the search bar). Go to components, storage, disks. You will see your partitions in the right panel. Look at the offset number of each partition (last item for each partition). This is the number that must be divisibly by 4096.
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