Windows 7 "new striped volume" raid - 0
boot drive = 80GB SSD
after i boot into windows 7 x64 if i create a "new striped volume" of my two 60GB SSD`s it will make one 120GB volume that is very fast.
my question is this.
if i get TIH 2012 and i create a backup image of my 80GB will i be able to save it to the two 60GB SSD`s that are in a raid-0 when windows 7 boots up?
also will i be able to restore the image from the two 60GB ssd`s to the single 80GB if i want to?
i want to do this from the boot media (not from the installed acronis in windows)
so acronis would have to put the two 60GB ssd`s togather while in the boot media.
let me know please
i wouldnt create the image in acronis (in windows)
what i always do is install acronis to create the bootable media (currently i have DD 11) and am thinking about getting TIH 2012.
so i would create the image like this
boot into the bootable media
create an image of the 80GB drive and save it to my (two 60GB SSD`s) hopefully in the stripe that windows 7 created
so if i save it to the stripe that windows created....and then i reboot my system...when i get into windows7 i should see the image file acronis created
will this work with the plus pack?
i guess what i want is:
make an image of a basic disk....save that image to a dynamic disk (stripe with two drives that was created in win7)
restore the image of the basic disk from the dynamic disk (stripe with two drives that was created in win7)
is this possible?
i read http://kb.acronis.com/content/6533 and it does not speak of restoring a (basic disk image) from a (dynamic disk) stripe
thanks for any info
i need to keep this bumped up as it is really important and serious questions that have not been answered
this is really an advanced topic for me
i need help on this.
anyone?
Pat L
can you continue to help me since not to many know anything about this?
i read the link you posted but it does not cover what i ask up above in post #2
please help i need to know if it will work
you know this is pretty aggravating
i have serious questions about this software
i want to buy it.
no one is helping me
the link i got from Pat L does not answer my question in post #2
the link Pat L gave me answers everything else except what i am asking
come on do you want to sell this product or what?
Why don't you ask Sales under the support Pre Sales option?
Why don't you ask Sales under the support Pre Sales option?
probably because the man himself (Pat L) was helping me
maybe that could be it
create an image of the 80GB drive and save it to my (two 60GB SSD`s) hopefully in the stripe that windows 7 created
Do you talk here about creating an image (so the dynamic volume made of 2x60 contains a .tib file with an image of boot disk)? If yes, to recover from an archive located on a dynamic disk you need Plus Pack.
create an image of the 80GB drive and save it to my (two 60GB SSD`s) hopefully in the stripe that windows 7 createdDo you talk here about creating an image (so the dynamic volume made of 2x60 contains a .tib file with an image of boot disk)? If yes, to recover from an archive located on a dynamic disk you need Plus Pack.
are you 100% sure i can even save the .tib to the dynamic disk when i am booted with the bootable media?
did you read the link i have in post #2?
it does not say you can create or restore to a single drive mbr from a dynamic
you can create/restore dynamic to dynamic
you can create/restore a dynamic that has the .tib on the single drive mbr
BUT
it does not say you can create an image of an mbr drive to a dynamic drive and it also does not say you can restore an mbr image that is on the dynamic back to the mbr drive
it is very confusing so i really need someone who knows this stuff
im still waiting
need to know for sure 100%
For information purposes - I think you'll find Pat L is female.
Even if Pat is helping, which will be out of the kindness of her heart, as none of the MVP's are employed by Acronis, there is no reason why you couldn't use the Acronis support process and get an actual answer from Acronis themselves who have direct access to the software coders - albeit the person you'll make contact with initially will be a sales person from the first line support company contracted to answer such questions. If they don't have the answer at their fingertips they have an Acronis contact who can give them an unequivical answer.
The manual is downloadable as well. I've used the manual to gain answers to similar questions regarding older versions of the software; I have not purchased or read about ATIH 2012 however. Acronis TIH 2011 does for me what you are asking, BUT... I have a hardware RAID setup. Meaning, I have an addon RAID card installed into my computer and the hard drives attach to that card. So, I am not using a software raid created as a dynamic disk through Windows. I am also not using the hardware-assisted software BIOS RAID built onto my computer's motherboard.
it does not say you can create an image of an mbr drive to a dynamic drive and it also does not say you can restore an mbr image that is on the dynamic back to the mbr drive
First, location of the .tib file doesn't matter. What matters is its content - what types of volumes were backed up there.
In your case, you are goint to backup a (presumably) basic mbr disk (80GB) , save the .tib file wherever, and restore it to (presumably again) basic mbr disk. It's possible (to my best knowledge).
The target volume type does not change when recovering over an existing volume. Examples:
When a dynamic volume is recovered over a basic volume, the target volume remains basic
'Target' volume here refers to an existing volume on the existing disk that is selected as a 'target' for restore process. Dynamic disk as the location of .tib file is only supported with a plus pack.
Dev-anon is correct. The problem is that nunyer business wants a guarantee the recovery CD will be able to access his dynamic disk to see the TIB file and then recovery onto the original disk. I don't know how to provide this guarantee in general and in particular on nunyer business's system(s), aside from trying.
Trying requires the purchase of the Plus Pack, producing a new recovery CD, etc.
it does not say you can create an image of an mbr drive to a dynamic drive and it also does not say you can restore an mbr image that is on the dynamic back to the mbr driveFirst, location of the .tib file doesn't matter. What matters is its content - what types of volumes were backed up there.
In your case, you are goint to backup a (presumably) basic mbr disk (80GB) , save the .tib file wherever, and restore it to (presumably again) basic mbr disk. It's possible (to my best knowledge).
The target volume type does not change when recovering over an existing volume. Examples:
When a dynamic volume is recovered over a basic volume, the target volume remains basic'Target' volume here refers to an existing volume on the existing disk that is selected as a 'target' for restore process. Dynamic disk as the location of .tib file is only supported with a plus pack.
you are so wrong
it dont matter where it saves
omfg i will have almost 100GB of installed games and movies and files to that SET of dynamic disks that is created in windows 7 disk management
if i boot into TIH (bootable media) and try to creat an image of my single disk (basic disk with mbr) and save that to the dynamic disk that was created in windows and acronis just tries to write wherever it wants on those disk guess what
it matters
ok i dont need a 100% guarantee
i asked people to read the link i had in post #2
i will just copy and paste it so people can understand it better
"Basically, with the Plus Pack add-on you can back up and restore dynamic disks both in Windows or from Acronis Bootable Media. In terms of dynamic disks and backup or restore, the product functions the same when run in Windows or from Acronis Bootable Media:
You can back up a dynamic disk and restore it to a dynamic disk. As a result, you will have a dynamic disk;
You can back up a dynamic disk and restore it to a basic disk. As a result, you will have a basic disk."
ok do you see the last two lines there?
what i need it to say is this
>>>You can back up a BASIC DISK and save it to a DYNAMIC DISK. As a result, you will have a .TIB image file on a dynamic disk<<<
>>>You can RESTORE a BASIC DISK .tib image that was SAVED on a DYNAMIC DISK. As a result you will have a working system again<<<
no where on that link does it say you can do that.
i dont need a guarantee i just want some more info that explains what it can and can not do.
do you know how much TIH 2012 and the PLUS PACK are?
thats around $80.00 isnt it?
yea i would like to know that the one image file i create will be able to be restored when ever i need it.
here is a pic i took with DD11
http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/2020/diskdirector11.jpg
note the dynamic disk where it says "Unsupported" when i select "local volume D"
DD11 is supposed to be supported for dynamic disks isnt it?
I think we are talking past each other...
There are 2 distincts issues:
a) Can ATI store any image to a dynamic disk? Yes, if you have the Plus Pack installed, according to Acronis.
b) Can you restore the image *of* a dynamic disk to any disk (dynamic or not), the answer is yes also.
I understand you are not asking about b). You just want to know if you can backup your basic disk and store the resulting image on a dynamic disk, and then use the recovery CD, access the backup that is stored on the dynamic disk and restore it to your basic disk.
The answer is yes: according to Acronis, you need the Plus Pack installed for that, and then it should be working.
I concur with what Pat L is saying. However, @nunyer business... Take a deep breath. You're coming across as ungrateful and a little rude. The question you're asking is answered in the user manual. So first, you are asking questions other users are trying to answer which you could answer yourself. But, others are trying to help you out anyway. Also, while your posts may be clear to you they truly lack information for anyone to help you make a positive determination. And as previously noted, with all the different hardware/software options available to end users it's hard to make a positive determination in all cases anyway. I tried to covertly point that out to you in my previous post.
These aren't Acronis employees you're interacting with here. As noted previously, if you want to speak with Acronis employees these "user forums" aren't the proper way to address them.
I think we are talking past each other...
There are 2 distincts issues:
a) Can ATI store any image to a dynamic disk? Yes, if you have the Plus Pack installed, according to Acronis.
b) Can you restore the image *of* a dynamic disk to any disk (dynamic or not), the answer is yes also.I understand you are not asking about b). You just want to know if you can backup your basic disk and store the resulting image on a dynamic disk, and then use the recovery CD, access the backup that is stored on the dynamic disk and restore it to your basic disk.
The answer is yes: according to Acronis, you need the Plus Pack installed for that, and then it should be working.
this is exactly what i was wondering
thanks alot Pat L
i didnt know exactly how to word it....i just started hearing about dynamic disks like 3 days ago.
i barely have a concept what it actually is still but i know now that it can do what im wanting from what you Pat L says and Gork.
Gork you are bating me for a flame.
i am side stepping you.
Pat L did a great job of helping.
i just want to say thanks to her and Gork to and anyone else who helped and i forgot to mention.
btw you see the link to the pic i posted where it says "unsupported" when i do bootable media DD 11 #2121
i guess that is ok?
i wish i would have know this a few days ago because tigerdirect had TIH 2012 on sale for $29.99
took 3 days to figure it out...
maybe i can get an older version like 2010 and 2011 with the plus pack
man that is getting to be quite a bit of money just to backup an image...
for that price i could buy a 1TB hdd (western digital or seagate) and get their acronis free and i could back up to that.
thats probably what i am going to have to do.
$80.00 is alot
No, not baiting you - in fact I would not have posted again had a flame ensued - I don't play those games. I was just saying how you seemed to be coming across is all, hoping to tone things down so people would feel comfortable to continue to offer assistance... And your last post seemed much more pleasant to me.
I agree, $80 is a lot, especially if you really only plan on using the software once. I use my software for constant backups so $80 is easier to swallow, but even I held out for a much better deal when I purchased 2011 with Plus Pack. I think I paid $45 when all was said and done, though I had to wait for a mail-in rebate.
The idea of dynamic disks really IS a little confusing. After years and years of partitions, now they're volumes, and the term volume can refer to something as simple as a partition but can encompass so much more as well. I'm confused about dynamic disks myself, and I'm totally nerd-o into this type of thing. And add to that GPT instead of the older MBR, and the new replacement for the old BIOS and things really start making me dizzy! But if you want to learn more about dynamic disks and what they are, Wikipedia has helped me out a lot. See the following, for instance:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_Disk_Manager
I too am curious about your screen shot of Disk Director where it shows "unsupported." I don't use Disk Director, though, only the Disk Manager plug-in for Computer Management (or command line tools) which ships with Windows. And below it says that the gray bar means "unsupported by current OS." Did you create the dynamic volume in Disk Director? I wonder if it would be any different if you created it directly in Windows Disk Manager. Hmm...
As far as buying a 1TB HDD and using the Acronis free edition which ships with it, I would be surprised if it would allow you to do what you're hoping to do (take an image of a simple HDD and save the resulting TIB file then write that TIB file to a dynamic disk) because it's a "dumbed down" software version. Also, if you have the funds, might I suggest a hardware RAID solution instead of using a dynamic disk volume? I purchased an LSI 9260-4i SCSI RAID card off eBay awhile back for $250 and it is fully compatible with cheaper SATA HDDs. The hardware handles the striping, and the software recognizes the card itself as a simple hard drive. ATIH recognizes it both through the Windows GUI and from the Linux bootable CD. If I understand the process correctly, you wouldn't even need Plus Pack to do what you've described if using a hardware RAID solution. Also, since the card handles the RAID striping, it doesn't utilize CPU cycles like a volume utilizing software RAID would in the dynamic disk setup you've described.
EDIT:
ZOMG so many edits to fix so many grammatical and spelling errors! And I'll be surprised if I didn't miss a grundle more anyway. /sigh
"No, not baiting you - in fact I would not have posted again had a flame ensued - I don't play those games. I was just saying how you seemed to be coming across is all, hoping to tone things down so people would feel comfortable to continue to offer assistance... And your last post seemed much more pleasant to me."
when you say "people" who is it you are talking about exactly?
just curious.
there is always one person who thinks they can calm it down...that is usually the person that is starting the flame by telling someone else to tone it down...especially when the person is not being like the way the other person says.
back onto the tech
yea dynamic volumes are a pain in the acronis :)
what i meant to imply about buying a 1TB drive for $80 aprox (and coming with bundled acronis free version) was that i could just image my C: (basic disk) to the 1TB and forget about the dynamic disk vs $80 for a piece of software that i might use 2 times a year restoring an image.
if i got the 1TB drive i could use it for quite a bit of things and still get my backups.
i need to go price some drives :)
bbiab and thanks for explaining things.
note about the hardware raid controller card.
my motherboard is this
http://www.msi.com/product/mb/890GXM-G65.html
when i have two video cards in both pci-e slots it covers all the other slots up.
thanks again
problem would be solved.
another option might be a 16GB/32GB usb 3.0 flash drive and then just by TIH 2012
i have a problem with acronis or my motherboard...not sure which
i cant boot my current usb 3.0 (fat 32) 16GB stick when its plugged into a usb 3.0 port
i can fine when its plugged into a usb 2.0 port
The bundled versions of TIH are not always the same as the current paid for versions. If for example either Seagate or WD Disk Wizard are bundled with the drives, then these versions of TIH have been 'tinkered' with by WD and Seagate and have minor differences to the Acronis badged versions.
Some of the free versions will be old versions and not current.
Also your hardware may allready have a raid controller built in on the motherboard. Check your manual.
Also your hardware may allready have a raid controller built in on the motherboard. Check your manual.
it does and i did try it first for "bios-raid"
for some reason when my motherboard is in "RAID" mode it has problems
ex: i have 3 sata drives total
if i put 2 in a bios-raid 0 mode and leave the other sata drive also hooked up it causes read/write problems for some reason.
when the mother board in in "RAID" mode any drives hooked up to any of its sata ports it wants to include on the raid-0 for some reason
i dont know why.
There may be some configuration problem with your motherboard. The Bios should allow you to have mix of raid and non raid drives. Depending on the brand or just version of a motherboard, some have multiple Sata connectors that may be suitable for Raid and some that are not. On some, there could be more then one Raid controller on motherboard such as some Asus motherboards have. In addition, with problems such as yours, I would clear the CMOS and then re-configure it for the RAID. Also you should allow the Raid controller to format and test the drives connected to it. Try different Sata connector cable, try to use different SATA port, try to use different drive. Only then you will know where the problem is.
Also make sure that you have the latest BIOS.
There may be some configuration problem with your motherboard. The Bios should allow you to have mix of raid and non raid drives. Depending on the brand or just version of a motherboard, some have multiple Sata connectors that may be suitable for Raid and some that are not. On some, there could be more then one Raid controller on motherboard such as some Asus motherboards have. In addition, with problems such as yours, I would clear the CMOS and then re-configure it for the RAID. Also you should allow the Raid controller to format and test the drives connected to it. Try different Sata connector cable, try to use different SATA port, try to use different drive. Only then you will know where the problem is.
Also make sure that you have the latest BIOS.
yep you are pretty good.
i did everything you mentioned above already (no way you could have know that so your suggestions are still really good)
you might be onto something about certain sata ports for certain things eventhough i only have one raid chip.
i used to have other motherboards in the past that had two different raid controllers which was nice.
this is a micro atx board so i guess they had to save some space somewhere :)
one more thing unrelated to your statements above but i figure instead of making another post i would just add it here
when i boot into DD11 from bootable media i can highlight each drive (usb flash drive) and right click and select "browse files" same thing for my single intel ssd (basic disk) i can right click it and select "browse files"
with the dynamic disk i can right click on it and the list of options is only two..."copy volume" and i forget the other one....i think "delete volume"
remember in the link above in one of my posts it shows the dynamic drive as unsupported.
if DD11 can not read / browse files on that drive then i bet it would be a disaster to create an image of my intel ssd and save it to the dynamic disk.
i bet it would just write all over those files that i have there now...
something isnt right...
it should not say "unsupported"
i should be able to "browse files"
First off all, if I was you I would copy the drive from within Windows. It just seems like the underlying windows has a better control of your hardware then running the DD11 from CD and relying on the drivers provided by Acronis. Regardless of this, rather then copying to the Dynamic disk drive, why not just create image to either USB drive large enough to contain the image or a DVD. To make image, you would have to use something like the True Image or something similar since DD does not do that.
The inability of DD11 to read some drives is nothing new. The DD11 I use and I load directly can not see my Raid drives properly and just like you see on yours, I get this unsupported format error.
i already suggest using another drive (simple volume) to store the image file....nothing new in that area....be it dvd-r, sata basic disk, ide basic disk or usb flash drive.
acronis always did that fine
to my understanding acronis TIH 2010, 2011 and 2012 along with the plus pack is supposed to support dynamic disks like DISK DIRECTOR that i have does.
guess what?
if my DD11 isnt doing it....im gonna put my money that TIH with the PLUS PACK is not going to either.
here is what i see in my acronis DD 11 #2121 BOOTABLE MEDIA
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/5239/54111396.jpg
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/2411/97085085.jpg
http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/7538/26461219.jpg
http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/6843/85769322.jpg
the last link is most important
The TI with the Plus Pack should work in situation like yours. It worked for me. The images you are listing here are exactly what I see on mine using DD11 but when used with the TI with Plus Pack, there is a menu entry in TI with the Plus Pack that is in a compatability mode and that is the one you need to use. I can remember at the moment the exact name used in the menu to enter that mode. Also I could be wrong and it, the comapatability mode, actually may be part of the standard TI with out the Plus Pack.
The TI with the Plus Pack should work in situation like yours. It worked for me. The images you are listing here are exactly what I see on mine using DD11 but when used with the TI with Plus Pack, there is a menu entry in TI with the Plus Pack that is in a compatability mode and that is the one you need to use. I can remember at the moment the exact name used in the menu to enter that mode. Also I could be wrong and it, the comapatability mode, actually may be part of the standard TI with out the Plus Pack.
are you talking about the PE builder?
you can see in that last picture the only options avail are COPY Volume and DELETE Volume
since there is no "Browse Files" like the other ones we can figure something is wrong.
i dont see any compatibility mode in DD11 #2121 bootable media.
i am betting that TIH with the plus pack does NOT work as acronis states the same thing
acronis says
Dynamic Disk support for TIH 2010, 2011 and 2012 if you have the plus pack
acronis says
Dynamic Disk support for DD 11
if it dont work in DD 11 i am betting it dont work with TIH with plus packs
It is CD created using True Image's "Bootable Rescue Media" with Plus Pack installed and the selection from the media should be "TI Home (Basic mode)" I do not think there is Plus Pack for DD11. It's only available for the True Image. However, I am only speaking about True Raid drives managed by hardware. Dynamic Disks may be seen differently by this and I can not say if it will work.
It is CD created using True Image's "Bootable Rescue Media" with Plus Pack installed and the selection from the media should be "TI Home (Basic mode)" I do not think there is Plus Pack for DD11. It's only available for the True Image. However, I am only speaking about True Raid drives managed by hardware. Dynamic Disks may be seen differently by this and I can not say if it will work.
yea dynamic disks is the problem we are having here
bios-raids (aka fake-raids) and hardware raids are no problem for acronis
the problem here is dynamic disks that were created in a software enviroment like windows 7
now that we have some good data (the pics i took) and i am glad i did not actually try and create an image of my (basic disk) and save it to the dynamic disk with DD 11 using bootable media like someone else said to do
just because the drive shows up in DD 11 or TIH + Plus Pack dont mean to use it while there.
you will destroy your data if it is showing "UNSUPPORTED" like in my pic i posted.
i really wish tech support would get in on this
It is CD created using True Image's "Bootable Rescue Media" with Plus Pack installed and the selection from the media should be "TI Home (Basic mode)" I do not think there is Plus Pack for DD11. It's only available for the True Image. However, I am only speaking about True Raid drives managed by hardware. Dynamic Disks may be seen differently by this and I can not say if it will work.
correct me if i am wrong
isnt basic mode gone with newer tih versions?
i dont think that mode exists anymore
I'm confused as to how anyone is making images using Disk Director 11. DD11 is a disk utility, not imaging software.
If posters could be a little more concise in their posts, they might get better quality answers.
I'm confused as to how anyone is making images using Disk Director 11. DD11 is a disk utility, not imaging software.
If posters could be a little more concise in their posts, they might get better quality answers.
You can tell you havent read anything in this thread.
im not going to hand feed you.
its all in here
And with that comment, I'm done with this thread. Good luck to you, nunyer business.
Why did DD detect your OS as Home Premium (which it probably isn't , otherwise you couldn't have created dynamic disks in it) ? It probably marked it as unsupported because of this.
Why did DD detect your OS as Home Premium (which it probably isn't , otherwise you couldn't have created dynamic disks in it) ? It probably marked it as unsupported because of this.
yea i am windows 7 home permium 64bit
at least that is what it says when i right click my computer and select properties
why what you thinking?
sounds like you are onto something
How did you create the dynamic disk in the first place?
How did you create the dynamic disk in the first place?
from in windows 7 i went to disk management and created a new stripe
it let me select the two drives i wanted to have a stripe
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927520/en-us
Important Dynamic discs are only supported for:
....
Windows 7 Enterprise
Windows 7 Professional
Windows 7 Ultimate
...
There is one exception. When you upgrade your computer from Windows XP Media Center Edition to Windows Vista Home Premium, some dynamic discs are handled and supported. // - but as yours is 64-bit it's not the case... Btw, it's not the fiorst case in this forum when people with W7 Home Premium report that they have dynamic disks, but DD refuses to work with them (http://forum.acronis.com/forum/13841)
I don't understand how it is not supported by the OS, while it can be created by the same OS...
wooo
this is something that just cant be right
windows 7 home premium is definately supporting it...i can create and USE the stripe all day long.
if i go into my computer i definately see the single volume
now you can not be telling me that acronis does not support this because of some technicality.
if i created the stripe volume with windows 7 Professional acronis DD would still say unsupported i bet.
you are not going to tell me acronis would read the dynamic volume win7 pro creates but says "unsupported" with the one win7 home premium creates correct?
if that is true that would mean win7 pro is tagging the drives different then win7 home premium?
i definately have a working dynamic volume stripe
im really listening on this one :)
Was your Windows 7 a clean installation or upgrade? Did you create dynamic disks from empty uninitialized disks (or converted them from basic) on your system or brought them from some other computer?
Volumes may be the same, but the OSes installed on the computer are not - ADD reads their system files (probably registry) and detects OS type
As far as I know, Acronis is aware of the problem with DD 11 detecting Dynamic Disks as unsupported. I'm not exacty sure what the exact situation is and searching the web isn't pulling up anything useful.
However, if you boot to the DD 11 CD and select the Disk Layout link and select the Bootable media environment layout, it should show the Dynamic Disks normally and allow you to work with them.
Was your Windows 7 a clean installation or upgrade? Did you create dynamic disks from empty uninitialized disks (or converted them from basic) on your system or brought them from some other computer?
Volumes may be the same, but the OSes installed on the computer are not - ADD reads their system files (probably registry) and detects OS type
i have the win7 upgrade disk
i had a simple vista install (no updates just a clean base) and then i installed win7 home premium x64 upgrade
i believe they were basic discs at the beginning but the very first thing i did was have them in a non bios-raid (just added them to my already running system)
i then created a new stripe and in order to do that it makes you delete the volumes
they have to new uninitialized disks i think*
As far as I know, Acronis is aware of the problem with DD 11 detecting Dynamic Disks as unsupported. I'm not exacty sure what the exact situation is and searching the web isn't pulling up anything useful.
However, if you boot to the DD 11 CD and select the Disk Layout link and select the Bootable media environment layout, it should show the Dynamic Disks normally and allow you to work with them.
wow you are good.
that info worked.
i can now browse folders and files off the dynamic volume.
I don't think you will be able to restore back to your dynamic disk configuration with the Plus pack. Please see my testing results here
http://forum.acronis.com/forum/25707
I know I'm going to regret saying this, but RAID 0 is a catastrophe waiting to happen. I've been there a couple of times with clients.