Full C Drive backup causes BSOD
you've lost me... I don't have 2012 on another computer... nor will I PUT it on any of my other computers... sorry... I have 2009 on my XP machine and it works flawlessly. Will 2009 recognize the 2012 .tib file?
If it will I can slave both drives to my XP machine and use the 2009 Rescue disc to select the 2012 .tib file and restore it's original disk
No 2009 will not recognize a 2012 image, but the 2012 recovery CD can. I thought you had put the system disk of computer A in computer B. You can use the 2012 recovery CD on any computer, not just the one you created it on. You could then use computer B as a conduit and see if the backup completes.
good idea... I'll try it...
riddle me this... I've obviosuly lost all the information/data off my disc and my only hope of recovering it is with 2012 rescue disc properly restoring that .tib file... well, I have no faith in the 'rescue disc' anymore as it locks up repeatedly or only partially restores the file... what about if I do the following...
format another hdd and load Windows XP on it, THEN load ATI 2012 on it, then slave to it my screwed up HDD as well as the USB3 HDD that has the full disc.tib file and use the full version of 2012 to do the restore?? Think that's worth the effort?
If you restore outside of windows, you will be forced to reboot. THis in turn will reboot into the same ATI version you run from the CD, so there is little hope you will be better off.
Try this: donwload the bootable media ISO for 2012 from your Acronis account. Use an ISO burning engine to create a new recovery CD and try again.
Again, if you validate the backup using the recovery CD, you should be able to restore it unless you have hardware issues. The version running on the CD is very reliable once you have established the Linux drivers work for your hardware (if you can validate, they do work).
OK, lets try and stop and get everybody back onto the same sector :).
The tib file you mention is as you guessed your image file.
As Pat says download the recovery iso from your account and burn that to a CD, it might be that your Windows version of Media Builder was corrupt.
From what you say, part of the restore is working as you end up with two empty partitions - TIH will delete the partitions on your drive before resotring the image file contents, so it has obviously got as far as deleting the partitions, writing the BIOS block and then fails leaving you with empty and unallocated partitions.
Once you have made another recovery CD, validate the image.
Make sure you don't have any card readers attached or the USB drive connected via an external hub, just in case this is confusing the Linux environment - normally this shows up as not being able to boot with the CD or peripherals freezing - but you never know......
Thanx Colin... I've downloaded the Bootable Media ISO and will burn it shortly... I have nothing except my externall USB3 hdd (which has the .tib file) connected my my pc... I will re-boot using the NEW rescue disc as see if it works any better. The way to 'validate' the .tib file is to right-click on it and select 'validate' correct? Well, my existing rescue disc will not give me any options when I right click on the file.. nada, zip, sfa... so HOPEFULLY my original rescue disc was/is faulty (as I've suspected)...
Boys... I don't know if I'm retarded but I've made about 6 coasters trying to produce this bootable media disc... I'm using Nero 6 (my Nero 9 was on my Win 7 machine) but when I use the create ISO disc it's not recognized when I try to boot up the win 7 machine...
I've compared my original 2012 Rescue disc to the 5 I've made and they're identical when viewed in Windows Explorer... I haven't a clue as to WHY my machine won't recognize these new discs
and it ain't my DVD burner cuz as soon as I put the original rescue disc back in, it recognizes it and starts the acronis loader...
I'm going back to plan B... load 2012 on another XP machine and then use the full version to restore my .tib file to the screwed hdd...
You have checked that you didn't inadvertently just copy the ISO onto the CD instead of image burning it to CD? I haven't used Nero for a long time now, but make sure you select image rather than copy.
Well... no I'm not sure... I selected ISO CD from Nero and then it asked me to select the files... I'll try again...
apparently I AM retarded... I just watched a youtube video on how to do it properly... stand by.... burning it properly now
it's confirmed... I are retarded... just successfully burned the iso image... running it now. just out of curiosity, I take the MBR doesn't go into the Reserved System 100 MB partition but into the unallocated 930-odd GB's?
and guess what... this is the first time has happened... I successfully loaded the MBR into the unallocated 930-odd GB partition, then when I selected the full file to go into it and started the process, I got, "Failed to write data to the disk" and under that was "Failed to write to sector 7,530,496 of hard disk '1'" Direct R/W operation has failed (0x59001).... my target hard drive is facked?
I query that error on google and I get an Acronis page saying that the error is in the product and solution is to upgrade to the next build of Acronis... albeit this applies to an older version
I hit 'Ignore All' and it jumps to stage 2 of 2 - Recovering Partition 1, runs for about 9 minutes and then re-boots after the progress bar moves about 1/20th of the way across...
Oh yeah... and when Acronis Loader is loading, it says "MBR is incorrect" BEFORE it gives me the main recovery screen...
Ah ha! This new Rescue disc allows me to right click on the .tib file and select 'Validate' or 'Recover'... I selected 'Validate' and I'm just waiting for it to do whatever it's supposed to do...
right now I'm formatting another 1TB hdd IN CASE my current screwed HDD has suffered failure... the .tib file is now validating...
update: is the validation process supposed to take a long time?
The validation is about as long as the backup.
Good to see you are making progress :-)
The MBR is not linked to any partition vis a vis the restore process. So you can restore individually or with a partition. Doesn't matter. When I restore manually, ie individual partition at a time, I always restore the MBR last, but I don't think it matters.
The Validation succeeded... I've formatted a new hdd that I will swap with the screwed Win 7 hdd and try to restore/recover that partition onto this virgin hdd. Question.... what is this 100 MB System Reserved partition? Should I recover that as well?
The System Reserved partition recovered successfully, the MBR & Track 0 recovered successfully but as soon as I started the 931-odd GB partition, it said that it failed to write to certain blocks... clicked ignore and after 3 minutes of the progress bar moving it rebooted to the 'Error Loading Operating System' warning...
I've repeated this process several times now... on both occasions it identified different blocks it failed to write to.. blocks separated by hundreds of thousands I might add... the first 'fail to write' was to block 567,488 and the second time I tried it it was from block 76,125... this is a brand new hdd...
my next thing to try is to copy and paste this .tib file to an internal hdd JUST IN CASE it's a USB thing...
I started the copy & paste process about 30 minutes ago and it says there's another 198 minutes to go... mind you this is a USB3 HDD that is plugged into a USB2 port on the XP machine so a drop in speed was expected... but 228 minutes??? holy crap...
Tried the copy/paste thing twice... both times failed saying "Insufficient systems resources to complete".... one last thing to try... I'm removing the hdd from the USB3 enclosure and installing it directly into my machine, then rebooting to see if I can recover the .tib file. If this fails I have no other ideas...
the recovery process lasted about 2 minutes before it locked up... I think the Recovery Wizard is flawed in 2012 in that it can't handle large files the backup wizard creates... this is a bit of an issue for me as I desperately need this recovery done...
Well... success of some sort (so far)... instead of selecting 'recover partition & disk' I selected 'Files & folders', put a check mark in the 'c' drive which put a check mark in all the folders under the 'c' drive and picked a folder on the same disc that has the back up and told Acronis to put the folders there. It's been about 30 minutes and it hasn't locked up, the hdd light is fluttering away and the progress bar is moving a little... if this fails then I will select one folder at a time (ie - Users, then Program Files, then Windows, etc) for recovery as the Recovery disc doesn't seem to have a problem recovering small files, just the big ones.
Mike,
Yes, you need to restore system partition and the MBR on a new disk. If the validation passes, the problem is not with the archive file, and not with your memory or USB disk.
Still don't know why you cannot restore that big partition. I am still leaning to some hardware issue: it might be directly with the motherboard or disk controller, since we already changed the target disk.
The method you are using now (restoring files) will most likely not get you a bootable system but is the last resort to get content out of the archive. A preferred approach would be to first install the OS and the applications, and then restoring the files in C:\users\.
I agree that it won't give me a bootable system but at least I'll have my data back after I reload Windows 7 on the target disk... the system worked flawlessly for 4 months - a brand new ASUS Sabretooth Mobo, all new higher end SATA3 hdds, memory modules that work perfectly with the Mobo etc etc... personally I think it's an issue with the recover software, specifically the part that deals with recovering whole partitions in Windows 7... it restores the smaller files but not the larger ones? It restores the folders individually or as a group like I'm doing now... but not as a partition. If it was a hardware controller it would fail during the 'recover files' process too would it not?
Having said that, I just checked on the Recover Files progress and the bar has moved to about 1/15th of the distance and it says 1 Day 23 hrs for it to complete. THAT sir, is a long time. I may cancel the process, reinstall Windows 7 then recover the folders one at a time...
So far it's about a 5th done... woo hoo... at least my data will be recovered...
sorry - meant 1/4 recovered...
almost half done here...
Mike, I know it's not really a help, but my previous bad experiences with backup / disaster recovery software mean that I now routinely use 2 completely different software platforms in parallel all the time. And I ensure backup images are time shifted too. That way, if one system corrupts, the other is not likely to be also.
I was using genie timeline + ghost 15 - and have just substituted ATIH for the latter (though reading the forum I'm not sure this was not a bit premature...). The former does continuous version backup and disaster image to a NAS RAID in a studio separate from the house (so if the house burns down...). The latter runs alternate weeks to 2 separate internal HDD's, creating separate system and user data images. One of these HDD's rotates to a safe on a quarterly basis. The user data sits on a large internal RAID5EE. As a last resort, I can suffer 8 disk failures before I have any chance of losing most files. Super critical data is also stored online. Actually disk failure is not my worry - it is system corruption and user error. (Often the latter drives the former!). There are a multitude of ways you can get yourself into trouble running system configurations you don't think are corrupt - but which are - for some time. If all these get backed up and all the older "safe" images are purged - you are stuffed. Hence the "defense in depth". This approach also allows for super quick image restores if anything goes wrong. (btw I make sure I also have multiple bootable HDD's). How paranoid can you be with data? Never enough is my motto! You may not wish to go quite this far, but I really would suggest using an alternate (even Windows backup) as a "belt and braces". And getting a NAS RAID on your local network - and running continuous backups to it - is also a very very good idea. And of course, keep a handful of USB keys set up with a variety of bootable ISO's to allow you to recover from each of your environment issues; my "disaster fob" carries bootable ISO's for Win32, Win 64, Ghost, Partition Magic, Genie Timeline, Acronis TIH and the RecoverSoft Rescue PC tools for the ultimate "get back the data from your mate's disk after the dodo accidently formatted it" trick.
Wishing you a safe restore of your data (I know how "heart in mouth" stressful these situations can be)
cheers
Rod
Thanx Rob... I'll be looking into something a little different that relying on just ATI from here on. I've been a user since version 9 and have never had a problem. I think they released this too soon as MOST software companies do these days... "RELEASE TO THE PUBLIC AND LET THEM BETA TEST IT FOR US!" I guess there's just too many computer configurations out there for them to test it as thoroughly as they used to so they release it and then work feverishly on the complaints that start rolling in. I'm usually smarter than this and can usually ALWAYS find a work around for any hardware/software issue/conflict... this one has been a bitch tho. At times I was convinced it was a software issue.... then after a while I too started thinking "well, maybe it IS a hardware/controller issue..." but after it's all been said and done, I'm convinced the Restore Wizard is flawed... hardware doesn't usually work one day, then not the next, then work the next day... when it fails, it usually fails repeatedly to the point where it doesn't work at all... Software, when handled differently can work successfully one way but not so successfully the other way... imho anyway...
thanx for your input and valuable suggestions.
I agree with Roderick: simultaneous diversification of backup technologies (vendors), approaches (images, files, mirrors), location (onsite, offsite, online).
Anton,
Interesting development on the 'Recovery/Restore' process.
YESTERDAY I had copied the original .tib file from the D drive and pasted it to my C drive and ALL attempts to restore selected files from the C drive .tib file to another folder on my C drive failed and resulted in a locked program after 3 minutes and corrupt files on my C drive which always resulted in chkdsk running after the boot sequence but before Windows started - telling me that cross-linked and orphaned files were confusing the start up process - and these 'files' were from the folder I was trying to restore. So I tried the restore from the original .tib file on the D to a temp folder on my C drive and all THOSE attempts resulted in the same lock up/reboot/chkdsk running... so I gave up.
TODAY I selected the same files from the D drive (original) .tib file and opted to restore them to the same drive, the D drive in another temp folder... so far, it's working. It hasn't locked up the program and the progress bar is moving (albeit at an obscenely slow rate - 3.5 hrs to recover 4 gigs of data)
At least I am able to now select 3 or 4 gigs at a time and walk away for 4 hours to find them successfully recovered...