I can clone a Raid 0 with ATI 2016 19.0 5518
Hi,
My hw/sw configuration:
- Mobile PC with 2 slots for disks: first slot is occupied by a SSD (256GB) in Raid 0 the second slot is free
- Windows 7
- ATI 2016 19.0 5518
Targhet:
Change (quickly and speedily) the actual SSD with an other SSD with largest size (500GB)
My idea:
1) insert the new SSD (500GB) in the second free slot
2) Clone the 256GB SSD to new new SSD with Acronis
3) Dismount the old SSD and insert in the first slot the new SSD
Can be run ?
Thanks in advance!


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Steve Smith wrote:Lucio, the first comment is simply to advise that you upgrade ATIH 2016 from build 5518 which is very old, to the current build 6581 and take advantage of all the fixes for known issues that Acronis have released in this latest build.
Regarding your idea of how to clone your 256GB SSD drive to the new 500GB SSD drive - this is not quite as recommended for cloning.
- Make a full disk & partitions backup of your 256GB SSD drive to an external backup drive <BEFORE> doing anything else! This is your safety net in case anything goes wrong or any mistakes are made etc!
- Create the Acronis bootable Rescue Media on either CD/DVD or USB stick (latter is recommended using a USB stick of 32GB or less - 1GB is fine)
Do this after upgrading to the latest ATIH 2016 build 6581 release!- Remove the 256GB SSD and install the new 500GB SSD drive in its place.
- Connect the 256GB SSD in your second slot or using a USB to SATA adapter.
- Boot from the Acronis Rescue Media in the same boot mode as used by your Windows OS, i.e. if Windows boots using EFI (UEFI) boot the rescue media in the same way. See webpage: Check if your PC uses UEFI or BIOS for help in finding out how your Windows boots!
- Perform the clone after confirming that you can see both the source and target drives when booted from the Rescue Media.
- Shutdown and remove the 256GB SSD drive and the Rescue Media. Note: Do not attempt to boot with both drives attached!
- Restart with only the 500GB SSD drive installed and confirm that Windows boots correctly.
See KB document: 56634: Acronis True Image: Cloning Disks for more information on other requirements for cloning.
See also KB document: 1540: Difference between Backup and Disk Clone for information on using Backup & Restore as an alternative to cloning.
Hi Steve Smith,
Thanks very much for your clear answer !!!!
Only a curiosity:
Why you suggest performing the cloning AFTER replacing the old SSD with new SSD INSTEAD (as i wrote) my point 1)
Again thanks !!!
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Lucio wrote:Why you suggest performing the cloning AFTER replacing the old SSD with new SSD INSTEAD (as i wrote) my point 1)
This is the recommended process as documented in the KB document: 56634: Acronis True Image: Cloning Disks I referenced, where it states:
If you clone a disk with Windows to external USB hard drive, you will not be able to boot from it. Windows does not support booting from external USB hard drives. Please clone to internal SATA SSD or HDD instead.
The key point here is that the clone drive will be in the correct position ready for booting into Windows, avoiding any problems by not having this drive connected to the correct SATA connector and port.
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Are you sure you actually have a RAID 0? That would require at least 2 drives striped together. If you only have 1 drive in RAID mode, you are just using the SATA mode of the controller, but do not have a RAID setup. If that is the case, then Steve's notes above are the way to go if you want to clone.
Unfortunately, if you have a true RAID 0 (striping of 2 disks to appear as one single drive), then clone is not supported as it is a dynamic disk. If you have a true RAID 0, you will need to take a full backup image and restore that image instead. You can restore that image to another RAID set or to a single drive.
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56634: Acronis True Image: Cloning Disks
Only basic disks can be cloned with Acronis True Image. You cannot clone dynamic disks.
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Bobbo_3C0X1 wrote:Are you sure you actually have a RAID 0? That would require at least 2 drives striped together. If you only have 1 drive in RAID mode, you are just using the SATA mode of the controller, but do not have a RAID setup. If that is the case, then Steve's notes above are the way to go if you want to clone.
Unfortunately, if you have a true RAID 0 (striping of 2 disks to appear as one single drive), then clone is not supported as it is a dynamic disk. If you have a true RAID 0, you will need to take a full backup image and restore that image instead. You can restore that image to another RAID set or to a single drive.
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56634: Acronis True Image: Cloning Disks
Only basic disks can be cloned with Acronis True Image. You cannot clone dynamic disks.
Hi Bobbo_3C0X1,
thank for your support!
1) I try help a far (4.000 Km) Friend
2) For me, this PC (MSI GT70 20l) as a very special hw ...
3) Raid 0 on ONLY 1 drive ? I agree with you !
4) After examining these 2 attached, I see 1 x SSD in Raid 0 and 1 x Tera HDD in not raid mode (not mentioned, for simplicity, in my first post)
Suggest about attacheds:
- SSD.jpg : see left
- Hard Disk Sentinel DEBUG Report - TOSHIBA_THNSNJ128GMCU.txt search items with "Raid 0"
You agree with i wrote in point 4 ???
Thanks !
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It looks to me that you do have 3 drives in the system and there is a RAID setup
Disk 0 - Toshiba 119GB
Disk 1 - Toshiba 119GB
Not sure if that is a RAID 0 or 1, but if they appear to the OS as only one C: drive, it's in RAID 0 or 1.
Disk 2 - Hitachi 931.5GB
So, no, it does not look like you can clone your C: drive. You would need to take a full disk backup of it and restore that to another drive or another RAID set instead.
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Bobbo_3C0X1 wrote:It looks to me that you do have 3 drives in the system and there is a RAID setup
Disk 0 - Toshiba 119GB
Disk 1 - Toshiba 119GB
Not sure if that is a RAID 0 or 1, but if they appear to the OS as only one C: drive, it's in RAID 0 or 1.
Disk 2 - Hitachi 931.5GB
So, no, it does not look like you can clone your C: drive. You would need to take a full disk backup of it and restore that to another drive or another RAID set instead.
At the first time I agree with you ( as you see the Disk 0 & 1 (SSD) have a different serial number !!!)
Anyway i never see a mobile PC with 3 slots.
- I found the attached data sheet (It say only 2 slots)
- I did remove the cover and my friend found only 2 drivers
From my side few and very well confused ideas :-)
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https://us.msi.com/Workstation/GT70-Workstation.html#hero-specification
- Super RAID2 with 3 SSD RAID 0 gives you over 1500MB/s Reading Speed
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The Hitachi HGST should look like a standard 2.5" drive.
The Toshibas are SSD's without an external case and smaller form factor.
Looking at this Youtube video, you can see the 2.5" on the top of the system and there are the 2 SATA connectors for the SSD's in the bottom right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOJCQyRNhIQ
here's an uploaded picture marking them out as well: https://forum.acronis.com/system/files/mvp/user78440/capture_msi_gt70.png
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Bobbo_3C0X1 wrote:https://us.msi.com/Workstation/GT70-Workstation.html#hero-specification
- Super RAID2 with 3 SSD RAID 0 gives you over 1500MB/s Reading Speed
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The Hitachi HGST should look like a standard 2.5" drive.
The Toshibas are SSD's without an external case and smaller form factor.
Looking at this Youtube video, you can see the 2.5" on the top of the system and there are the 2 SATA connectors for the SSD's in the bottom right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOJCQyRNhIQ
here's an uploaded picture marking them out as well: https://forum.acronis.com/system/files/mvp/user78440/capture.jpg
Bobbo_3C0X1
Thanks for your VERY VALUABLE informations!!.
Was you wrote is all clear ....only these 2 doubts:
- "Super RAID2 with 3 SSD RAID 0" : to undestand as maximal configuration? right ?.
My friend as 1 x HDD (no Raid) e 2 X SSD in RAID2 right ?
- I know only SSD with standard case like HDD ...now we must buy CORRECT 2 X SSD ( = 2 X 256GB )...some suggestions for this special form ? ;-)
If I think / hope correct : after replace old SSD with new SSD I can clone the 2 SSDrivers one after the other...right ?
Again THANKS !!!!
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- "Super RAID2 with 3 SSD RAID 0" : to undestand as maximal configuration? right ?.
Yes, that would be my though. It sounds liek you have a 2 disk RAID (0 or 1, I am not sure) and an additional 3 drive for data/storage
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My friend as 1 x HDD (no Raid) e 2 X SSD in RAID2 right ?
I'm not sure I understand this question. There is no RAID 2. It is RAID 0 or 1 when 2 disks are RAIDED together.
When 2 disks are in RAID 0, they are STRIPED together to appear as one larger disk (1 x 128gb drive + 1 x 128Gb drive in RAID 0 = 1 x 256Gb single drive to Windows... both disks rely on each other completely so if one fails, the entire RAID 0 fails).
When 2 disks are in RAID 1, they are MIRRORED together so they appear as one drive of the same size (1 x 128gb drive + 1 x 128Gb drive in RAID 0 = 1 x128Gb single drive to Windows... they are independent of each other... if one fails, the OS will still boot since the disks are a mirror of each other).
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Unfortunately, I don't think you can clone the drives as you intend to because RAID is not supported for cloning in Acronis. In your case, instead of doing a clone, you need to take a full disk backup of the RAID disk and then restore that backup to new drives in the system.
1) Take a full disk backup of your existing RAID setup using the offline bootable recovery media provided by Acronis. I suggest you build the windows PE bootable recovery media as you're going to need the RAID drivers. Use the link in my signature below to download our MVP tool to help build this once you have Windows ADK installed on your machine.
2) After you have a successful, full disk BACKUP (not clone) of your existing hard drives, shutdown, remove the old hard drives and replace with new ones. I'd recommend the mSATA Samsung EVO 850 if you're looking to upgrade to something bigger and faster
3) Once the new drives are installed, then restore the full disk backup you made to the new RAID drive (it shows up as a single drive to acronis). Hopefully, all is well. RAID can be complicated though depending on if it is a hardware RAID or software RAID and whether or not you have to make changes in the bios when you put the new drives in).
ADK WinPE10 (download and install Windows 10 ADK 1511 on any system running Windows 7, 8, 8.1 or 10 - pick the first 3 items which is approximately 3.4Gb. Once installed, then use our tool to help you build some customized WinPE Acronis recovery media with the intel RAID drivers) MVP WinPE Builder
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Hi Bobbo_3C0X1,
I) According the HDS report attached in a previous post and according your previous explication, i think is Raid 0
2) I must buy 2 x MZ-M5E250BW ( for duble size respect now) to be insert in position 2 & 3 on this picture https://forum.acronis.com/system/files/mvp/user78440/capture.jpg )
3) I must execute the point 1,2,3 of your last post. I Know very well the point 1,2 but zero about point 3.
You agree ?
Again thank very much !!!
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Sorry for the late resposne, I've been away for a few days and am just now catching up to the forum posts little by little.
Yes, I think you have 1 and 2 down now.
3 should not be too difficult. The hardest part for you will be ensuring that your new drives are detected in the bios as a new RAID 0 so that Acronis will be able to detect it as a possible location for an image restoration. Unfortunately, I can't give any help in your journey to setup the RAID 0 with your new, larger drives as each bios firmware is different adn I don't know if yoru system can configure the bios in the firmware, or must be done in Windows as a software RAID. Hopefully, it can be setup in the bios directly and once it is then you would restore the previous image to it and be on your way again :)
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Bobbo,
Thanks very much for your support!!!.
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Happy to help - good luck! As long as you have a full disk backup to work with (just in case), you should be good to go :)
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lucio simo wrote:Hi Bobbo_3C0X1,
I) According the HDS report attached in a previous post and according your previous explication, i think is Raid 0
2) I must buy 2 x MZ-M5E250BW ( for duble size respect now) to be insert in position 2 & 3 on this picture https://forum.acronis.com/system/files/mvp/user78440/capture.jpg )
3) I must execute the point 1,2,3 of your last post. I Know very well the point 1,2 but zero about point 3.
You agree ?
Again thank very much !!!
Bobbo....ops this picture https://forum.acronis.com/system/files/mvp/user78440/capture.jpg ) is changed ? In the past i see the position of 3 disk: pos. 1-2 SSD and pos. 3 HDD..... now i see a screen of AOMEI Partition Assistant....
Can you send me the old picture with the Disk's position ?
Thanks !
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Maybe this will help you :)
http://www.laptopspirit.fr/wp-content/uploads/new/msi-gt70-super-raid-1…
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Sorry about that! Didn't realize that files automaticlly replaced in some cases. I've updated the pic on the original post and here it is again too:
https://forum.acronis.com/system/files/mvp/user78440/capture_msi_gt70.png
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