Cloning SSD drive to IDE Drive?

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Hello, I've cloned my SSD drive (128GB, Win 7 64bit) to a 2.5 IDE drive (250Gb) on a drict SATA to USB cable. But I can't boot from this newly cloned drive - I made sure that IDE was selected in the BIOS, and that the USB was first in the BootUp order. It started to bootup, but within a few seconds up popped the dreaded blue screen - just flashed up so impossible to read. Any ideas why this won'y work? Do I need another SSD drive to make cloning work? Thanks, Robert

mer 14/11/2012 - 15:15
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You can't boot to Windows from an external USB drive. That's not an Acronis issue, it's a Windows limitation.

If you intend that the IDE drive will be your new OS drive, then install it in the PC, place the current OS drive in the external enclosure and clone from the external to the internal.

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Thanks for that. I was cloning to have an emergency full back up drive. But following your method I suppose I could do this and then swap the SSD and IDE drives back again! Robert

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Forget using Clone. Concentrate on performing Backup, Restore and Validation. A full disk backup is far more useful and flexible than a clone. You can achieve the same effect as Clone by using Backup and Restore. But, Backup is safer and more flexible. So, you'll still be able to achieve what you want, but in a better manner.

There is rarely a need to Clone. Really, Backup is safer and more flexible. Many users encounter problems Cloning which they would not have if they had instead used Backup.

1. Don't use Clone. Do a full disk Backup, selecting the entire disk, and a Restore. The end result will be the same as Clone, but with many advantages.

2. Check out the many user guides and tutorials in the left margin of this forum, particularly Getting Started and Grover's True Image Guides which are illustrated with step-by-step screenshots.

A full disk backup, selecting the disk checkbox rather than individual partitions, includes everything. It includes everything that a clone would include.

The difference is that while a clone immediately writes that information a single time to another drive, a backup is saved as a compressed .tib archive. As such, multiple .tib archives may be saved to a single backup drive, allowing for greater redundancy, security and flexibility.

Once a full disk image .tib archive is restored to a drive, the result is the same as if that drive had been the target of a clone done on the date and time that the backup archive was created.

Clone is riskier because we've seen situations where users mistakenly choose the wrong drive to clone from and to, thus wiping out their system drive.

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AH! I was under the impression that one couldn't boot from a backup. I was cloning so that if anything happened making a bootup impossible, I would have to re-install with all the trouble and time that would cause, so a clone at least saves me a new install (I had to do this 2 weeks about when I used the Norton Ghost 15 that came with the SDD drive - changed my boot drive to F:, and had to re-install. So I got the new acronis as I had used an older version with XP many times to clone without any problems - you just have to be careful when you select the Source and Destination drives!). So you're saying that just using a full backup, etc., if my system crashes and I can't get it all back up and running the backup will do this? I'll check out the user guides - I must admit to being lazy in this area - getting old!

Thanks again, Robert

jeu 15/11/2012 - 15:41
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You can't boot from a backup. You can restore a backup to a drive, which makes that drive identical to the drive that was backed up, thus making it bootable. (Assuming you performed and restored a full disk mode backup.)

Backup and restore also saves you from reinstalling.
Clone doesn't have a result any different from a backup and restore. Clone just saves you a step, but at greater risk and without the benefit of storing multiple full backups.

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Thanks again for your help. However as far as I understand, I have to create a Boot Disc to do a Recovery? I couldn't see anything about a 'full disk mode backup'. Is this in Backup Scheme/Backup Method, where I can choose either Full/Differential/Incremental? If I choose Full then isn't that a 'one-off' and I have to keep repeating it every time I want to do a full backup? I'm afraid going thro all these choices to me is a bit confusing - with cloning I have only three mouse clicks: Source/Destination/Go, and I'm sure what I will get at the end (if it works). Looking at the info it's all too laconic for me - I'm left with many doubts and questions! For example, if I choose Incremental, what happens if after 50 of such (which would probably fill a 1Tb drive) I want to do a Recovery? I think I need an Acronis For Dummies, with a full step by step guide and a full explanation of all choices available with their consequences! Sorry to be a pain in the ass! Robert

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Check out the many user guides and tutorials in the left margin of this forum, particularly Getting Started and Grover's True Image Guides which are illustrated with step-by-step screenshots. ATI is a powerful tool, and you're entrusting it with the critical task of backing up your system and data. As such, it requires some time initially to learn how best to use it.

Don't do an incremental chain of 50 incrementals. That is too long, and risky.

"Full" unfortunately has two meanings here, so it can be confusing. ATI calls a full backup a backup that depends on no other earlier backups. A full backup is complete in itself, as opposed to an incremental or differential. When beginning a chain of incremental backups or differential backups, the first backup is always full.

But, when I say "full disk mode backup" I mean a backup that is configured by selecting the entire disk, in what we call disk mode selection, rather than selecting just individual partitions. A full disk mode backup includes the entire disk, all partitions (even hidden ones) and the MBR. A full disk mode backup is the simplest and, IMO, most reliable type of backup. Because it includes everything, you can restore to a new, unformatted replacement drive if your current drive fails.

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Once again, many thanks for your help. I'll do a bit more reading - taking it slowly! Robert

sam 17/11/2012 - 17:03
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Take your time, get it right. :)

When I began using ATI (around 2002 with version 6) I spent a lot of time reading and testing. Over the years I've contined to read the new manuals and read discussions in user forums. it's a complex software performing a non-trivial task, so some time investment is warranted. A simple drawing app might be expected to be "intuitive", but the nature of what ATI does requires some learning in order to find the best way to use it for your needs.

sam 17/11/2012 - 17:17
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I did a full backup, created a Boot Recovery Disc, rebooted with the Recovery disc, and found my way one step from doing a full recovery of my disc. Great. Many thanks. What would we do without you guys! Robert

dim 18/11/2012 - 11:17
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Excellent!

Now, just to make sure you can recover in an emergency, boot from the Rescue Media disk, choose fles/folders recovery, and recovery a couple of files. If that works, you have high confidence that you could recover your entire drive backup if you ever needed to.

lun 19/11/2012 - 16:05
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Did the test this morning - all worked fine. Wasn't sure as I did a full backup whether I would be able to recover just some files; but no problems. Now have the confidence that if the system goes belly-up, I can recover it. Thanks again for invaluable help. Robert

mar 20/11/2012 - 12:04