Updating From TI 2010 to TI 2012
I just purchased the update and want to install it, but before doing so, I wanted to check to see if it is necessary to do a clean install, or if I can simply install it on top of the older version?
Thanks, that is what I'll do.
I uninstalled ATIH2010 just yesterday, and the Windows CP method didn't work (at all, it even left files in the programs directory). So I resorted to the KB article here and the Cleanup utility, which one needs to follow VERY CAREFULLY but was mostly successful. Seems to me it still left a driver or two in windows/system32/drivers e.g. timntr.sys for example. There were also a boatload of registry entries left over!
This is what I followed:
Perhaps it would be better to uninstall it with Revo. Revo isn't perfect, but it is usually better than going through the Control Panel. However, I'm not sure that I will do the upgrade, because of the comments found in this thread:
http://forum.acronis.com/forum/27184?page=1
I'm actually fairly happy with 2010. The only reason that I bought the update is for the ability to backup across diverse hardware structures. I guess the only way to know if it will work for is to try it myself.
YOu could keep 2010 on your machine and use it to backup and use the 2012 bootcd for restores.
RE uninstalls, using control panel is usually suggested as the first ditch attempt. With lots of programs, that method leaves stuff behind. sometimes the leftovers under Program Files get deleted, sometimes not. With revo, you should probalby runit twice and be sure to uncheck anything that belongs to any other program or about which you are dubious.
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Yes, but if I didn't install 2012, then I couldn't use the TI 2012 Plus Pack, could I? As I said, the only real reason that I updated was because of being able to backup and restore across diverse hardware, and I think that relies on the Plus Pack...doesn't it?
I only meant, the boot cd is worth the price of admission, unless you already have the ati2011 bootCD. It's better than the earlier bootcds.
Yes, but if I didn't install 2012, then I couldn't use the TI 2012 Plus Pack, could I? As I said, the only real reason that I updated was because of being able to backup and restore across diverse hardware, and I think that relies on the Plus Pack...doesn't it?
You can make a bootcd without installing ati -- register your serial number on Acronis.com and download the iso for the bootcd.
You're right about the plus pack. YOu need it to make the right kind of tib to restore on disilimar hardware. Once the tib is made. I'm pretty sure all you need is the boot cd to resore (plus pack or no.
Hmm, then I don't see any benefit from 2012, unless it will install and work properly on my machine. I have not read very thoroughly about the types of problems that others have had with 2012, but unless it were with restoring from a successfully made tib, then it would seem that to use 2012 at all would be spinning my wheels.
The only reason that I can think to keep 2012, instead of seeking a refund, is because the update was cheap, and might be cheaper than later, when hopefully they have worked the bugs out of it.
I've been on the forums since ATI8 and I've seen a boatload of "issues" posts since then for every version. Iirc, the standouts for lack of probs: ati10 and ati2010 -- they weren't issue free but generally solid is the core functions. Standouts for problems: ati 9, ati11, ati2011, ati2012;. But they all have had their share of probs. I apply two rules of thumb:
use the oldest version that will work on your set up -- going back to ati10;
Try it before you buy it -- make a backup before you do, if you can.
If you have been around that long, I bet that your post count started over when they dropped the forum on Wilders and started over here. In a way, I liked the old forum better, but I'm getting used to this one.
I decided to go ahead and try 2012, before making any decisions about returning it. So far, installation went as expected, except that at the end of it, Windows popped an alert saying that the True Image Monitor had stopped working. I'm guessing that was a leftover of the old installation, because the program appears to be working properly. At least, it has completed about 3/4 of creating it's first backup.
I went back to the thread that I linked in my third post of this thread, to review what problems others have had, but after doing so, I don't understand any better now than before. I guess the only way to know if it actually worked is to put it to the test, restoring a backup of the OS. While the author of that complaint thread seemed quite knowledgeable, I couldn't figure any specific way to know whether it will work properly for me or not. He insinuated that even if it did work now, it might not later, but that is true of all software, so I feel as though I'm left in the lurch.
When I rebooted again, after the install, Windows had a curious message before shutting down, something to the effect that there were still some operations in progress, and to wait. It took about 15 minutes for it to reboot, and once at desktop, it repeated the error message that the True Image Monitor had stopped working. I then remembered that there were two entries in msconfig for the monitor, one enabled and the other not, so I reversed them and on the next boot, no error message. Not sure now if it is using the old or new monitor.exe?
Actually the entry for the old should have been deleted along with the registry key it represents and the new one created. If you ran ccleaner (free) it will probably bring up the orphaned registry entry and let you delete it. Alternatively, you can track down the registry key form the msconfig entry and delete it.
If you go through all the steps for a restore except the final Proceed, you can be assured that the bootcd recognizes your disk and can restore. Don't test from within windows, you want to be sure that the bootCD works on your setup becasue, if your hdisk goes sowuth you wont' have windows running to be able to start a restore from within windows.
Agreed.
I regret that some are having problems with 2012, but I'm happy to report that I just finished recovering my C: partition from one drive to another, and it seemed to have worked pretty well. The only problem that I have noticed so far, is that the system is booting noticeably slower than it did on the old drive. Once I have finished rummaging through the system, I may find other problems, but I shall keep my fingers crossed.
Besides Universal Restore, I found another aspect of 2012 that I like very much, and that is when I created a bootcd, that I was able to include DDS11 on it as well, which is somewhat more convenient than having to have two separate disks.
When you boot up after a restore, win has to create set up the page file. Not sure it it clears/remakes the prefetch queue. also it might be ordering he loads differently-- each time win loads it checks to see if the load order is optimized so that after a while it eeventually optimizes the use of memory, theoretically, anyway. Anyway there's some housekeeping that can slow donw the boot but that should go away soon.