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Hallo together,

I have the following question. Then I use diskpart in Windows 10 (EFI-Installed) I see 4 partitions. In TrueImage 2016 are only 3 Partitions to select. I cant select the MSR-Partition to backup. So, what is to do to make a complete Backup of my system-drive with all partitions. If I want a recovery of my system-drive, I can't restore the MSR-Partition (16 MB), because it is not in the backup and then I have not the original partitionstruktur of my Disk. I hove you can help me to resove this problem.

 

Thank you

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When you are selecting the source partitions to include in your backup, please ensure that you have clicked on Full Partition List near the bottom left corner of the panel, as if not, you are looking at the Short partition list which does not show all of your hidden partitions.

The Full partition list will show all 4 of your partitions, including the MSR partition.

I have done that. I can see the following three Partitions:

- Recovery-Volume

- EFI-System-Volume

- Windows 10

 

I can't find the MSR-Partition, because in the full List, this Partition is not listed.

 

TI does not backup the MSR partition. If you restore to the same disk, the MSR partition is left in place and the other partitions are restored in the spaces they originally occupied. If you restore to a new disk, TI creates a new 128 MB MSR partition and places it first on the disk followed by the other partitions. See  this guide https://forum.acronis.com/forum/101550 to restore to a new disk with the original partition order.

Paul, thank you for correcting my assumption about the MSR, I too am learning here!

But, if the MSR-Partition is an real Partition, why can't backup it? Can't this partition be backed up, because it has an unknown format? Can I backup this Partition with an Sektor-Backup?

I have not tried - if you have time, see if you can sector image and push it back and let us know.  As Mustang pointed out, if pushing to the same disk, it keeps the existing MSR "as is" anyway.  If pushing to a new disk it creates a new MSR parition. 

I have not found anything that actually uses the MSR unless you are using dynamic disks, which most people probably aren't for their boot drive.  Acronis support on dynamic disks is pretty limited anyway and they point that out in the documenation.  

I'm not sure what the fixation of the MSR is anymore.  It is simply blank space just in case another partition needs to tap into it at some point (like dynamic disks that need to store table information there).  

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Reserved_Partition

Microsoft Reserved Partition, or MSR, is a partition of a data storage device, which is created simply to reserve a chunk of disk space for possible subsequent use by the operating system software of a Windows operating system (Installed to a separate partition). It should be noted that no meaningful data is stored within the MSR; though from the MSR, chunks may be taken for the creation of new partitions, which themselves may contain data structures.[1]

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Letting Acronis move the MSR to the 1st location is no longer an issue for using Windows Recovery - test and try - in all currennt versions of ATIH 2016, whatever it's doing during the restore process allows everything to function correctly with Windows boot and Windows Recovery.  As a result, I'm not sure there will be any change with placing the MSR back in the original location in future versions of Acronis - I guess we'll see though.  

If you feel that this is not acceptable, Mustang's step by step guide using the WinPE to first prepare the disk and push the patitions back to each location will keep the original order https://forum.acronis.com/forum/101550 and works without a hitch.

Honestly though, with the changes that Acronis has implemented, all Windows Restore features work now, so I think the questions about MSR (other than not liking that Acronis is changing the default order) aren't very concerning - just my opinion, but if everything is working... 

Now, if the MSR contained some logical data in it that Windows OS or Windows Recovery actually used, or if Windows functioned differently as a result, or if Windows Recovery still didn't work, I'd be a bit more concerned - but none of those are issues.  Between ATIH and Snap Deploy, I've deployed countless UEFI/GPT systems, letting Acronis do it's thing, and I've yet to find any negative impact or performance as a result - not even with third party McAfee EndPoint Encryption which also mucks up the partitions afterwards with it's own custom bootloader and tweaks to the recovery partition. 

Has this problem been fixed with ATI 2019? It does cause problems.

Haven't seen any reports of this issue in a long time - last update on this forum topic was in February 2016.

Unless Acronis has said it is fixed in their release notes it is still there. Last time I performed a restore it was still there. MSR partition is restored in the WRONG order.

I understand your stance but I am not seeing any posts in the forums to suggest this is causing any issues that are being reported here?

If you are able to recreate the issue and show that it causes a problem, i.e. cannot boot due to the wrong MSR order, then you should open a Support Case.  This would need to be for either 2018 or 2019 with the latter being preferred as 2018 is approaching end of support.