ATIH 2019, Overclocking and AVX
I'm looking for comments by people who have run ATIH 2019 on an overclocked PC.
I have an overclocked PC that has run stably with office applications and games for almost 5 years.
ATIH 2014 and 2016 will freeze and reboot the PC about 4 minutes into a backup whether in Windows 8.1 or 10 or using an ATIH bootable media drive.
If I remove the overclock, the backup will finish successfully.
My question is whether or not ATIH 2019 has dealt with this issue ? I don't want to pay for an upgrade with the same problem and not be able to get a refund.
Agreed with Steve. It's a crap shoot.
I am OC to 4.3Ghz on my i5 6600k CPU and memory to 3000mhz on Corsair vengeance and all is stable. You may just need to decrease a little bit for better stability and find the sweet spot.
No two motherboards OC exactly the same and CPUs are like the lottery as to how well they perform compared to another that should theoretically be the same. Add things like PSU variance, etc. and it changes even more. Two "exact" builds won't run the same when OC'd, but cause they aren't built with the exact same parts and build quality for every single component.
I have in the past overclocked (mildly) my AMD system without any issues when using ATI 2019.
Ian
Steve Smith, Bobbo_3C0X1 and IanL-S,
Thanks for your comments.
I'll try other competitors to see if they perform more stably on an overclocked system.
It's not worth the risk of upgrading to Acronis True Image 2019 if the same scenario would occur and I couldn't get a refund. You can't download a demo and perform a full backup to test before buying.
Good luck with your testing of other products. You can take a 30-day Trial of ATI 2019 and use that period of testing, but doubt you will see any real change. As already stated, overclocking is a bit of a lottery in these circumstances but it is your right to choose to do this and try to find the best combination of products that work in your overclocked environment.
Ditto to Steve's notes. Best of luck finding the best product for your is.
FWIW, I have 4 paid backup products and 2 free backup products on my overclocked rig. All of them, including ATI, are stable at 4.3 with this chip and my corsair cpu water cooler. Although other people report getting up to 4.6 OC on this processor, it's just not in the cards for mine. I get all kinds of instability at 4.4 - not immediately, and not always, but enough that I know I have to stick to 4.3 to be happy with everything.
What is your CPU and what's it OC'd too?
The last time I tried an ATIH 30 day trial, the software only allowed creating a backup of 100 MB. That's not enough to verify stability.
The CPU is a 4790K overclocked to 4.88 GHz. It runs stably under non-AVX stress tests.
The last time I tried lowering the overclock to get ATIH 2016 stable, the system was stable only if there were no overclock.
Denna Porrat wrote:The last time I tried an ATIH 30 day trial, the software only allowed creating a backup of 100 MB. That's not enough to verify stability.
See KB 2768: Trial version limitations of Acronis products - for the official statement on what can / cannot be done with the trial version, but I do not see any mention of being limited only to 100MB anywhere in this!
Steve Smith wrote:Denna Porrat wrote:The last time I tried an ATIH 30 day trial, the software only allowed creating a backup of 100 MB. That's not enough to verify stability.
See KB 2768: Trial version limitations of Acronis products - for the official statement on what can / cannot be done with the trial version, but I do not see any mention of being limited only to 100MB anywhere in this!
Ditto to this, I don't recall any limitations on backup size either. Only limited functionality with recovery media only being able to restore and not backup with it, but in Windows, no issues.
Denna Porrat wrote:The CPU is a 4790K overclocked to 4.88 GHz. It runs stably under non-AVX stress tests.
The last time I tried lowering the overclock to get ATIH 2016 stable, the system was stable only if there were no overclock.
Best I can offer is to open a support case and see if they can help. There are several other overlockers using ATI without issue (me included). I've had this rig running with ATI 2018 and 2019 with my OC and all has been well.
4.88 is a great OC. Unfortunately, it's also quite high so would expect that you'll find varying issues at times and/or with certain programs. Just Google reddit and Tom's Hardware forums on the 4790K and you'll see all kinds of different results with OC with that processor - some struggling to get past 4.3/4.4 and others getting to 4.8. Again, 2 processors off the same line in the same batch can behave very differently in OC ability. Add on other things like motherboard differences, PSU differences, memory differences, etc. and it's really, really,really hard to say that you can get 2 "like" systems to perform the same.
So, if you drop your OC down to 4.3 - it won't complete either? just as a test?
Reducing the Maximum CPU Cache Ratio back to 4.0 GHz allows a full backup to complete. Anything above 4.0 GHz causes a system freeze and reboot.
That's the default turbo boost, correct?
I got nothing if it fails on all overclock above that and only with Acronis backups. I'm using a Gigabyte GA-Z170X-Gaming 3 (rev. 1.0) and an i5 6600K which runs at 3.5Ghz, turbo boosts to 3.9Ghz and is OC to 4.3Ghz and not having any issues. On this board, I just use the default OC settings with no special or manual tweaks to voltage and it's running great with everything. I have all kinds of trouble with different programs taking it to 4.4Ghz though, even though temps are still OK in the upper 60 (low 70 C) in Prime 95 testing.
Did you open a support case? Have you tried another backup program to compare with for a length of time? There are some decent free ones (although most are limited in some capacity on the free versions) to see if they run stable on backups over a couple of weeks? If they can, and Acronis can't, you'll have to decide if it's worth lowering the OC to stick with Acronis, or moving on to something else that handles the OC better if Acronis support can't offer a better solution.
FYI - here's a forum post from 2016 with someone in a similar situation. They didn't mention how high their OC was, but stability issues went away just by dropping their OC down 1%.
https://forum.acronis.com/forum/acronis-true-image-2016-forum/atih-2016-and-overclocking
I don't recall if Turbo mode overclocks the CPU Cache.
From what I've read, there's little to gain from overclocking the CPU Cache.
This change shouldn't be noticeable except during benchmarking programs.