Non-Stop Backup and SSD

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I searched for my answer throughly and couldn't find it.

With the concern of SSD owners of making their SSD last as long as possible with its limited number of read and writes I want to know if the Non-Stop Backup feature of TI Home 2011 creates more reads or writes than a normal weekly back up regiment would?

I currently run a 64GB SSD for my OS as drive "C". I then have two HD's with stripped partitions. partitiontoin is for media and documents, "Y". I have drive "Z" set as overflow. This drive is used for Indexing & Paging Files. I have a fourth partition set up as drive "X" specifically for Acronis Non-Stop Backup.

I have non-stop backup set to back up the C, Y and Z drives to the X drive. Does the fact that the Acronis program itself resides on the SSD C drive mean that its going to be reading & writing more than normally with no-stop backup on?

Also, can i make a back up of a back up? lets say i have a partition designated for acronis backups only and I use non-stop back up. Can i use Acronis to back up the acronis partition to an external drive?

ven 24/06/2011 - 17:34
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Jason,

To be honest, this concern about optimizing the number of read and writes on SSD is absurd. Depending on the actual memory being used, if you were to write and erase your SSD entirely 3 times a day, it would take between 10 and 50 years to wear it out (the math and estimates I found vary quite a bit)
All modern SSD disk controllers have wear-leveling technology.

In my opinion, it is futile to put the paging file out of the SSD. Some experts assert that this file is much more read than written to, and it is probably the most important file to take advantage of the SSD.

Other services like superfetch and defrag are automatically turned off by Windows 7, not because they wear out the disk, but because they are simply not justified on a SSD.

My advice: don't worry about wear on your SSD, worry only about alignment. Put in the place the backup strategy that best fits your needs, but *always* have 2 things handy: an all-partition disk and partion backup of your system disk, and a recovery CD that you have tested.

ven 24/06/2011 - 21:44
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Ok, thanks for the updated SSD info.

Additionally, I tested my backup from using the non-stop and the recovery failed. For me to take the time to go into the details here I could have had my system reformatted so I am not gong to waste my time, because so much has been wasted so far on this. I am totally unhappy that I paid for Home 2011 then had to pay another $20 just to get dynamic disk functionality and have it not work like the user guide states. Yes I read it thoroughly before I even used the SW.

sam 25/06/2011 - 15:22
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Jason,

I have had recovery issues on the system disk with the non-stop backup. The recovery worked, but there were issues with licenses and activation of software. I just don't use it any longer. I rely on the disk and partition backup (all partitions) and I went through about 15 recoveries on my recent SSD without a hitch.

You can use Acronis to backup backups, but you are better off using a simple file replication software. I believe using ATI file backup or email backup is perfectly when the benefits of keeping versions of backups and possibly securing backup files outweigh the drawbacks of using a proprietary file format: if only a small portion of the "big" proprietary container fails, the entire backup might get lost. I personally use various backup technologies, to diversify the type of backup container/technology and the location of the backup. For irreplaceable files, I don't hesitate with that approach. For the system files, I use ATI to keep a history of the changes of my system, and I use Win7 system images as a redundant last good version backup.

sam 25/06/2011 - 16:12
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non-stop back up sounds like such a good ideal. Wish it worked. I also made a BU to an external drive not using non-stop BU and it was also a bad BU. I hate SW companies that claim their SW does soemthing it doesnt.

I believe my mistake was backing up the entire system (all drives SSD & HD's) and expecting everything to magicaly go back to their appropriate partitions automatically, lol.

My OS was on my SSD and with that I created stripped partitions betwen my two HD's. Going to RAID 0 the HD's this time and give non-stop back up one more try. But I am goign to set it to back up each partition individually.

BTW Pat, would you still put the user files from an SSD to a HD for space conservation purposes?

sam 25/06/2011 - 23:50
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Yes, to preserve space I would put the user files on the SSD. OS and programs on the SSD, user files somewhere else (I have them on a RAID 0).
If your create a software RAID 0, ATI will not like it: you will be able to backup up, when you won't be able to restore from the CD (which is what you need when you need to restore a disk and partition or NSB in disk mode). Restoring from the OS a NSB made in *file* mode on a software RAID could be just fine (but in fact I have not tried it).

If you have a hardware RAID, you still need to make sure your ATI recovery CD can see it normally. Sometimes there is a driver issue and the recovery CD sees the disk as 2 separate disks, and you cannot restore either.

Creating a BartPE or a WinPE recovery CD after you bought and installed the Plus Pack can remove these driver issues.

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