File exclusion for Try&Decide.

If anyone knows just put some words in the box, probably talking to myself.

When you use T&D, do not run your defragmentation software. This creates additional changes to track for no direct benefits as you might just discard the changes.

No need to defrag your backup files. Hopefully, you don't use the backups drive very much, except to do the backups or to restore. The performance gains after a defrag do not warrant the risks you take by moving fragments of the archive files around: this increases the risk that validation will not pass.

That's what I'm asking, I know your not supposed to run the defragmenter.

I wanted to know the name of the files in Acronis that execute T&D so I can put them in my defragmentors exclude list.

It can't be solved by exclusions. Whatever file the defragmenter defragments on the source partition ( that is protected by TnD) , it is copied to TnD storage, and if you choose to revert, TnD writes it back (fragmenting it to original state). So unless you disable defrag for the whole protected partition, it will have negative impact.

edited - TnD writes it back

O.k., giant face palm!

This works with Shadow Defender and Returnil, why would it not work with T&D?!?

If anyone that has a clue as to what I'm talking about let me know, but just in case i'm opening a ticket.

I give up, ya got me forums.

Kevin,

Maybe we are talking past each other.
T&D is a function that tracks any change in any sector on the disk and "intercepts" it. So any proposed change to the disk is redirected and is stored away and the disk is actually not changed.
Your defragmenter will see any defragmented file, and will try to move it somewhere else on the disk. This is a disk change that T&D will intercept. This is if there is no low level driver conflict between T&D and you defragmenter. If there is a conflict, then all bets are off about what actually happens on the disk.
Anyhow, assuming there is no conflict and each software does its part normally, you would have to exclude all the files from the defragmenter. THere is no point excluding the files responsible for running T&D, or excluding the area where T&D stores the proposed changes.

You exclude the files from T&D so the defragmenter does not run.

Breaking this down. EXE file-exclude list for defrag program-Defrag does not run when in T&D. Keywords: does not, run, defragmenter under T&D.

Other useless stuff- certain files,excluding parts of files?

What I am doing- excluding the exe from T&D so the "defrag program" "does not run" when in "T&D".

Not certain files or part of the OS, or files I somehow deem worthy of exclusion. This is a global exclusion so the "degramenter" "does not" "run" under "T&D".

So to some this up, "NO" the defragmenter will not be running when T&D is running for the "whole" OS, not just parts the dang blaming thing.

Defragmenter bad under T&D, no defragmenter good under T&D. T&D not run under defrag. DID I miss anything?

Support ticket sent, if I get the same questions I'll put a curse on support.

Defragmenter bad under T&D, no defragmenter good under T&D.

You seem to mangle grammar to reinforce your poorly-veiled sarcasm?

You exclude the files from T&D

You do not exclude files from T&D. It either protects the whole partition or not.

If you did not mean to say "tell the name of executable responsible for T&D to defragmenter so that it doesn't run if said executable is running" then I misunderstood you again. Or did you mean 'tell T&D to disappear the defrag's executable so that it could not be run when T&D is on"? Iimpossible.

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D Or did you mean 'tell T&D to disappear the defrag's executable so that it could not be run when T&D is on"? Iimpossible.

I took him to mean his defragmenter can be told not to run if certain programs are running.

I'm not sure if afcdpsrv.exe is used only for NSB or if it also works with TnD. NSB is suspended whilst TnD is working

When TnD is running it is under the control of TrueImageTools.exe, so at least this one needs to be added to the defragmenters 'do not run when' list.

Note I think TIT also runs other parts of TIH's extras as TIT is started with the switch /tnd_tool

I'm not sure if afcdpsrv.exe is used only for NSB or if it also works with TnD.

It seems to be handled exclusively by tdrp{man|number}.sys (and may be other kernel drivers). I tried (inside a VM, of course) to kill all Acronis-related processes in task manager, then delete first all program files/acronis, program files/common/acronis , rebooted, deleted some other stuff (while all .exe files of true image was deleted and coulnd't be running) and then was able to 'revert' from boot menu. So the only hint of running T&D is presence of 'try and decide' folder on the storage partition.

We were definitely talking past each other :-)
I didn't notice any new processes when T&D was running, so I don't know how you can indicate that t&D has started.

Supposedly support says there is no way to alert the defragmenter that T&D is running?

Thanks for the generic form letter Acronis! I see the complaints about support going to the birds is true, never have I ever gotten such a crap response from support in the past from Acronis.

Thanks for all the responses, I'll try them out and see what happens.

TrueImageTools.exe shows up when the T&D UI is up, and closes when T&D is running in the background.

Good to know.

Just checked, adding TrueImage Tools to the 'do not run when' list will stop PerfectDisk performing a defrag.

TrueImage Tools looks to be the go between program between the GUI and the relevent DLL files that TIH uses. As noted above it runs with the /tnd_tool switch for TnD and with the /mount_image switch when running the mounting dialogue.

Colin,
I saw that too, but don't you have to keep the T&D dialog open? When I close mine, trueImageTools.exe disappears while T&D continues in the system tray...

Pat,

I don't seem able to close the GUi and still have TnD run until I reboot.

I haven't run Process Explorer as yet to see exactly what gets instantiated, but I thought that at least if the GUI is open then the defragger wouldn't run.

Thanks for trying Anon.

I don't how much more plain I need to speak in the first post, and it's obvious you are not a native English speaker and I think this is why you don't understand the question.

That mangling of grammar was intentional, because I don't really know how much plainer I could have said; what files do you exclude for the defrager not to run under T&D?!?

Which part of that question was so vexing to you?

I think Acronis better get their support back to the states as this type of miscommunication happens all the time with non native English speakers. I've never had an Issue with support before, but it's becoming plainly obvious that there is a grammar barrier, no matter how well support thinks they understand the English language.

What is SAOB monitor? I can't find any information on this.

what files do you exclude for the defrager not to run under T&D?!?

May be because this concept is new for me because I'm not a defrag guru. I know that one can exclude files from defragmentation, and defrag program will not defragment them. Ok, then apparently there are some defraggers that are able not to perform defragmentation at all while some processes originating from some_other_exclusion_list is running - ok - but T&D is not performed by a process, but by a kernel driver that is always loaded.

support back to the states

When was it there?

Ok, I see. I thought you were being a jerk? Sorry!